AFA is scared shitless of “The Golden Compass.”

Posted by Les on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 at 07:18 PM. Read 3968 times. Tags: , , , ,
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SEB regular DaBroad dropped by with a couple of links to articles about a warning from the American Family Association about the upcoming release of The Golden Compass. It seems they’re the latest religious group to get their panties all in a twist over this movie without even having seen it yet. They’re so in a panic that they put out this drastic warning to parents:

Therefore, without yet seeing the film, at least one pro-family group—the American Family Association—is alerting Christians to the potential dangers of The Golden Compass. Because of Pullman’s clearly articulated anti-Christian motives, AFA is warning all viewers to run from the film.

Potential dangers? Viewers should run from the film? Makes it sound like Godzilla is attacking or something. The way their talking you’d think that this film had some sort of unholy power to deconvert people into atheists within the span of an hour and a half or something. It leaves you wondering just how fragile their faith really must be if they’re that worried that a single film will cause so much damage to innocent young Christians. Whatever happened to their unshakable faith in Christianity that they’re so upset over one little film that will, by all reports, have its anti-religious message watered down to the point of not really being there to begin with?

Of course it’s not so much the adults they’re worried about, it’s the kids. They know they’ve got to get ‘em while they’re young and you can’t afford to allow any competing ideas get in their heads or something akin to common sense or the questioning of authority might take hold. This is made clear in the second link provided by DaBroad to an article about the film at BreakingPoint.org:

One of the prominent themes of the book is “Dust,” a mysterious “charged particle” from the sky. In the closing chapters of the book, the protagonist, Lyra, finally learns that Dust is “the physical evidence for original sin”; and Dust is what powers her “alethiometer” (the golden-colored, compass-looking device for which the book is named). From the Greek, alethiometer means “truth-measurer.” It is a device she consults, through a kind of clairvoyant process, to learn secrets and discover truths; it never lies or misleads. Dust and the alethiometer—central symbols in this book—together send the clear message that truth is measured by the power of original sin. In the closing pages, Lyra decides that Dust is a good thing after all, and she determines to go on and defend this original sin against the Church. Thus we are ushered into the second book.

This is certainly not a message we want our children to take to heart. Still, we cannot lose sight of the fact that Pullman is working on our turf when he tells his tale. I’ll gladly stand up our story against his! The story of Christ has drama, it has strong characters, it has relevance, it has a truly stupendous surprise ending—in short, all the elements of great story. Best of all, it’s not fiction. It happened! So we need not respond defensively, or with anger, or by picketing the movie, or with any of the worldly methods Paul warned against in 2 Corinthians 10. This is the time—especially since the movie is coming out at Christmastime—for us to tell the true story of Jesus Christ, in love and with a positive tone.

I’ve read both the Bible and all three books in the His Dark Materials trilogy now and I have to say that the former pales in comparison to the latter in terms of enjoyability, but then some might say I’m biased.

These folks, however, are most upset that Scholastic is involved in helping to promote the book with materials offered to schools:

Yet there is a limit, and Christian parents ought to stand guard on behalf of the next generation. The Golden Compass—book or movie—does not belong in our schools.

Again it’s interesting to note how fragile they consider their religion to be that it needs such efforts on their part to keep it protected even from total fictions that challenge it. At least with Pullman’s works he’s not trying to pretend it’s reality.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 08:45 PM

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I like the quote they use to describe Dust.  Of course, not actually knowing anything about it, they fail to note that it was Lord Azreal’s claim to what Dust was.  I haven’t read all three books, but isn’t the whole “source for original sin” thing not exactly true?  Oh well, no surprise that Christians would have a hard time telling a claim from truth when couched within a fictitious story.  They can’t seem to tell the difference in real life either.

And yeah, I think HDM is far better than the Bible.  “Greatest Story Ever Told” my ass.  Story is right.

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lostalaska United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 09:39 PM

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Since my early teens I have thought of faith (in the intangible) as a very fragile concept.  As a kid growing up and having Christianity pushed upon myself, I remember how slowly I began to see contradictions that confounded me.  As a kid I was fascinated by magic tricks.  As a child it seems so amazing, but having become interested in magic I quickly learned it was nothing more than slight of hand and redirecting a persons attention.  Yet so many things that God did seemed like magic or was God just really good at slight of hand tricks?  I asked my youth paster about it after a weekly bible study and the only answer I got was that I would need to come by three times a week instead of only once for Bible study since I obviously didn’t understand my religion.

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MisterMook United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 12:12 AM

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The funny thing is, I’m much less likely to get onto a religious person for shrugging off the rational entirely and going “I don’t know, but I believe” instead of trying to somehow pretend to couch faith in terms of science or reason. Everyone does and believes in unreasonable things every so often, but trying to pawn it off on others as something that withstands critical scrutiny always seemed to be beside the point. I’d hope if I ever got knocked on the head and became religious I’d have the decency to admit “it doesn’t make any sense, but that’s ok - if it’s really faith it shouldn’t have to make sense.”

Rushing to defend your faith by attempting to explain it isn’t convincing unless you’re talking to idiots, it’s retail sales religion. It leads to people “defending their purchase” by getting offended that people aren’t buying into how valuable their faith is. It’s so tired.

zilch Germany Posted on 11/21/2007 at 03:44 AM

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The Catholic League is also pantytwisted.

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cubiclegrrl United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 11:52 AM

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What Mister Mook said! 

(Seriously, I couldn’t put any frosting on that if I blew off work all day.)

Les United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 05:28 PM

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Zilch, I wrote about the Catholic League being all huffy in this entry.

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zilch Germany Posted on 11/22/2007 at 03:14 AM

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Les- so you did.  Hard to keep all the twisted panties straight.  What really got me about the Catholic League’s tizzy is this: they offer a booklet, The Golden Compass: Agenda Unmasked, warning parents about the danger, but have the effrontery to charge five dollars for it, even the downloadable version.  I guess there’s no danger so imminent that you can’t go ahead and make a buck from it…

Btw, I read through all the comments at the AFA site, and it is an education.  Some are from reasonable Christians arguing for perspective, saying that their faith will stand up to a work of fiction.  A few are from atheists, saying their usual atheist stuff.  But a goodly number, easily identifiable by their bad spelling, are from hell-and-brimstone Christians.  Many are convinced that The Golden Compass is a sign that the End Times are come.  Banning and bookburning are suggested, and one commentor wonders that God hasn’t already killed those responsible.  And this is America, land of the free?  Pretty scary.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/22/2007 at 06:59 AM

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But a goodly number, easily identifiable by their bad spelling, are from hell-and-brimstone Christians.  Many are convinced that The Golden Compass is a sign that the End Times are come.

Jeebus H. (Howard) Christ!  I certainly wish these frickin’ end times would hurry up and finish!  I thought they were only supposed to be 7 years long, but these Friendly Neighborhood Christian Douchebags (as opposed to Normal Rational Christians) have been announcing the End Times for at least as long as I remember.  Hell, The Omen in 1976 was a sign the end was here.  Then The Last Temptation of Christ in 1988 (clearly more than 7 years here people!) was the inevitable sign of societal decay that would lead to the “Big A” showing up and branding all us HEATHENS! with a special tattoo (bar code I believe by that time).  Next it was Dogma in 1999 (I would like to point out, yet again a longer time than 7 years) that was going to be the last nail in the coffin of all that is good and right in the world.  Surely Hollywood could make no more offensive materials than that one?  Surely this would finally prompt the Grand and Holy Poohbah Jeebus H. (Herkimer) Christ to say enough was enough and end it all!?! 

Nope.  Here we are, clearly more than 7 years since the release of Dogma.  However...(Dramatic Pause)...NOW WE HAVE TWO, YES COUNT ‘EM, TWO evil, despicable, foul and blasphemous movies, and this time...THIS TIME!  They are aimed at our KIDS!  OUR KIDS!  Surely there can be no greater sign that the Evil One is at work, and that this is surely the first sign of the Apocalypse as written down in The Book of Revelations?  After all, wasn’t it written:

And there shalt cometh a time in whicheth thine children shalt be targetted by the evils of the Evil One.  Using his powers of illusions, he shalt seeketh to leadeth the little ones into iniquity and sin by showing them images of blasphemy and naughty bits in a darkened room for the price of no less than six dollars and cents equal to six and sixty.
- Corellians II, Chapter 3, Verses 7-12.

There we have it, no clearer evidence is needed, the END OF THE WORLD is surely here!

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exarch Belgium Posted on 11/22/2007 at 09:33 AM

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Yet there is a limit, and Christian parents ought to stand guard on behalf of the next generation. The Golden Compass—book or movie—does not belong in our schools.

Such harsh words from the religious. And to think we’re not even talking about science class. Perhaps if we were, they’d realise the hypocricy ...

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 10:58 AM

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There is a big difference between the End Times and The 7 years of tribulation. The end times are likely to last for a long time due to the fact that there are alot of things that will happen in the end times. The Bible talks about the end times and states that things will start happening in quicker succession. Not everything that happens bad is a sign of the end times no, but look at the world and read the Bible and you will so it more clear if you go into it with an open mind. Jesus is coming back for His people and the devil uses things like these books and movies to try and bring as many people down as possible because he knows he’s already lost. I pray you people will see Truth someday soon. Christ defeated original sin by dying on the cross and rising again on the third day. His sacrifice was the only one worthy to deliver us from sin.

Last_Hussar United Kingdom Posted on 12/06/2007 at 12:20 PM

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Evidence?  And don’t quote the bible any one can write self referential. eg

Everything I post is true.

George Bush kisses Mosquitos.

That must be true because I said it.

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Julian India Posted on 12/06/2007 at 12:38 PM

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Jesus is coming back for His people and the devil uses things like these books and movies to try and bring as many people down as possible because he knows he’s already lost.

Looks like he’s succeeding then. Even if you fundies are correct, it makes the debil look much more proficient than Jebus. I vote we fire god for gross incompetence.

I finally figured out the fundie motivation – it’s simply unwillingness to take responsibility for their own actions. They sin because “the devil made them do it” and they don’t have to do anything about it* because “Jesus already made up for it”.

That’s why they hate freedom so much – for a free society to function, personal responsibility is extremely necessary. With their mindset it’s easy to see why freedom frightens them so much.

*When I say they don’t have to do anything about it I mean they don’t do anything actually worthwhile or difficult like making restitution or changing, – that’s too much like work you know. They’re quite happy to wail about it in their churches and get an emotional high.

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 12:40 PM

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The evidence is all around us. Just look around you everyday. Do you really believe all of this could have just came about by chance? A creator is a whole lot more realistic to me than the chance that I came from a “rock” or an “explosion”. If evolution is real how come there are still apes? Evolution is a bad word for adaption. Check out the website http://www.drdino.com for more proof. Read the book “A case for Christmas”. Jesus is special because Jesus is God. God became flesh to come to earth to save us from our sins. Now that He ascended back into Heavan he now sends His Holy Spirit to reside in His beleivers (so we have the Holy Trinity of God/The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit). You know something..."I don’t beleive in athiest’s. They are really just people who have not yet seen the truth and I still hold out hope for them.

Julian India Posted on 12/06/2007 at 12:53 PM

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Evolution is a bad word for adaption.

Evolution. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

As for the rest of it...blah blah heard. Heard it all before. Its just plain wrong. The universe was created by the FSM (praise his noodly appendage). And better wise up - Odin is getting really pissed off about this “Jesus” crap.

Jesus can’t be god. As Last Hussar said – god is an Englishman. Jesus is a Mexican name.

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 12:57 PM

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I finally figured out the fundie motivation – it’s simply unwillingness to take responsibility for their own actions. They sin because “the devil made them do it” and they don’t have to do anything about it* because “Jesus already made up for it”.

No, the devil doesn’t make anyone sin, it is our choice to sin. The flesh is weak but God is strong. I do not understand why God would want to continue to forgive us, but He does. As far as doing nothing to change, a true Christian does repent and change. Will a Christian be perfect? NO, but they must continue to try to live like Christ wants us to. And as far as God succeeding?? God’s Heaven is the perfect place, He will collect His people from this earth so that He can unleash His wrath on Satan and all the unbelievers. He is succeeding nothing, only giving all every opportunity to repent.All I can tell you is when you accept Christ your life will change and you will see and feel that change. Until you experience it you can not understand it. You have to love God with your heart first, your sould second and then your mind third. You have to have Him in your heart before your soul and mind can truly understand how Great God is. People say in football or other sports “Ya gotta have heart to win”. Well faith is the same way, you gotta have heart to understand it.

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:05 PM

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No, Jesus is not a mexican name it is translated from the Hebrew lanuage.

Julian India Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:15 PM

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Yawn. Do you think you’re telling us something new in that extremely boring and tl;dr post? Do you think you can actually come up with something your Hovind loving brethren have not bleated here before (no wonder they call themselves sheep and flock)?

You can’t. I defy you to. You people are too stupid to come up with anything original and just keep vomiting back the lies of Hovind and his ilk.

You actually link to that moron’s site. What in Thor’s holy name gave you the impression that any of the regulars here would care about anything that idiot has to say? He’s not just a liar and a thief; he’s an extremely stupid one at that.

That is a big number, since there are only 1041 electrons in the known universe.
-Kent Hovind.

Yeah he said that. And you link to his site. To prove your point. Moron.

Bog Brother United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:25 PM

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There is a big difference between the End Times and The 7 years of tribulation. The end times are likely to last for a long time due to the fact that there are alot of things that will happen in the end times. The Bible talks about the end times and states that things will start happening in quicker succession. Not everything that happens bad is a sign of the end times no, but look at the world and read the Bible and you will so it more clear if you go into it with an open mind. Jesus is coming back for His people and the devil uses things like these books and movies to try and bring as many people down as possible because he knows he’s already lost. I pray you people will see Truth someday soon. Christ defeated original sin by dying on the cross and rising again on the third day. His sacrifice was the only one worthy to deliver us from sin.

Oh shit!  I never got a notification for this response.  Seems Notification messages somehow accidentally got marked as Spam in my email account.  I’ve been missing some good stuff here.

Now, Rick, you do realize I was being sarcastic right?  I personally don’t give a shit what your book says, but I do happen to know the difference between the “end of the world” and the “Tribulation”.  My question for you is, when the Rapture comes, will it be before or after the Tribulation, and can I have all your stuff if you get raptured?

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zilch Germany Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:26 PM

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If evolution is real how come there are still apes?

I always thought this was just a satire of fundamentalist arguments, but now I’ve heard it twice, both at SEB.  Les, how do you do it?

Rick: if European settlement of America is real, how come there are still Europeans?  If you can’t give us better arguments than this, we won’t even bother to discuss things rationally, because there’s no point.  Go read the FAQ at talkorigins and come back.  Yes, we’ve already read the Bible.  Thank you and toodle-oo.

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Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:27 PM

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well this moron is going to Heaven, I just hope the same for you someday. I won’t argue like some, just state what I beleive. I will however pray for you Julian. I will pray that God will place someone in your life that will help you see His truths or for Him to give you a life changing experience that would turn you to Him. The great thing is God already knows if you are going to change and is just waiting for you to do it and is willing to forgive you like He did me. If I could change anyone can change. “Lord, I pray right now that you would in some way intervene in Julian’s life. Show him truth, show him Your love in some way that he would know that it only came from You. But not my will, but yours be done. In Jesus name, Amen”.

exarch Belgium Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:31 PM

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Risk said:

If evolution is real how come there are still apes?

If I am really descended from my grandfather, then how come my uncle is still around?

Anyway, just because your brain is incapable of understanding, or even imagining, how everything on this planet could be the result of dumb luck combined with many, many, many, many tries and failures, doesn’t mean it isn’t so. Just because you don’t speak Swahili doesn’t mean that language doesn’t exist. It just means your brain contains less information than it ideally could. Or it contains the information needed to come to the right conclusion, but for some reason it doesn’t. Methinks the cause is a bible that scares you into rejecting the right answer. Your reluctance to learn new things certainly fits into that hypothesis.

As for the devil, he’s a good deceiver alright. He’s so good that he was able to convince humanity that *HE* was the one who created the planet, complete with empty promises of the perfect world after you die. Meanwhile the real creator is reviled for giving humanity knowledge and free will. Oh boy, will you be in for a surprise when you die ...

Julian India Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:33 PM

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I will however pray for you Julian.

Looking that up in my Fundie-to-English dictionary: Ah it reads “Fuck you. God’s gonna kick your ass nyah nyah nyah.”

Same old bleating. And you still haven’t told me what you see as positive about human sacrifice.

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:39 PM

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Bog brother- The rapture comes before the 7 years of tribulation. God raptures(which the word means to pull out or transport out)His people out then starts the 7 years of tribulation. And yes, you can have all my stuff if the rapture comes in my lifetime, I certainly won’t need it.
And for the other post, Europeans are humans just like the other countries. A far cry form comparing apes to men. European to American is like comparing different breeds of dogs, they are both still dogs. Just look a little different than the other.

Rick United States Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:47 PM

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I don’t quite understand what your asking about human sacrifice. Jesus sacrificed Himself so that we could be saved. As for modern day sacrifice it all depends on what they put their lives on the line for. In the Christian faith you don’t have to sacrifice freedom or anything like that. You actually realize you are more free because Christ already paid the price.

Last_Hussar United Kingdom Posted on 12/06/2007 at 01:49 PM

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Well done Rick- you have completely missed the point.

I will put in simple language.

Apes, are in effect, distant cousins. The “why are their apes” question implies only one branch of a family can survive. You uncle does not die when you have children.  A man has 2 sons (generation2). Each have families. By Generation 10 there is every chance that not only do the descendents not look anything like each other, but are unaware of each others existence.  Now do that for millions of generations.

The evidence is all around us. Just look around you everyday. Do you really believe all of this could have just came about by chance?

Your inability to believe is not proof.  If you are right, and there is a creator, what you going to do if it’s Ganesh?
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