ACLU Files Lawsuit Over “Intelligent Design.”

Posted by TheJynXeD on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 03:01 PM. Read 2133 times. Tags: ,
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ACLU files lawsuit over Intelligent Design

Harrisburg, PA (AP)

Two civil liberties groups representing 11 parents on Tuesday sued a school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution.

The ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State said the lawsuit is the first in the nation to challenge whether public schools should teach “intelligent design,” which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power.

The Dover Area School District was believed to be the first in the nation to mandated the instruction of intelligent design when it voted 6-3 on Oct. 18 in favor of including the concept in the science curriculum.

The ACLU contends intelligent design is a more secular form of creationism, a biblical-based view that credits the origin of species to God, and may violate the constitutional separation of church and state.

“Intelligent design is a Trojan horse for bringing religious creationism back into the public science classroom.” Witold Walczak, legal director for the state ACLU chapter, said during a news conference.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Harrisburg. The complaint alleges that the parents “perceive the district’s action as conveying a governmental message that students should subscribe to the religious views reflected in the assertion or argument of intelligent design.”

School district officials had no immediate comment on the lawsuit. Administrators have declined to discuss the mandate, which applies to ninth-grade biology classes at Dover High School.

School board member William Buckingham, who spearheaded the change as leader of the board’s curriculum committee, has said previously that he proposed the change as a way to balance evolution with competing theories that raise questions about its scientific validity.

One of the plaintiffs, Tammy Kitzmiller, expressed concern that the school board would mandate the teaching of “something that isn’t accepted as science.”

Hopefully the challenge in court will succeed, because this IS a blatant violation of separation of church and state in my eyes, and even in the eyes of my mom, and some others, who ARE Christians themselves (I am not a Christian per se, although like a lot of others, I find some good things to filch from the Bible for personal use. I.E. Don’t Steal, etc.). I don’t feel that this theory, which holds less weight scientifically than a goose down feather, has any place in a public school science curriculum.

This matter hits close to home, as I have family members who go to Dover High School, and my girlfriend is a teacher here where we live here in Warren. If the plaintiffs fail in this matter, then it leaves the door wide open for the religious wrong to force their narrow views and crackpot theories into public schools everywhere in my opinion. My girlfriend is still waiting for the Bushies to sneak faith-based crap into NCLB and this would open it up for them to do so, since they would have “legal precedent.”

[Editor’s Note: I was unable to find the original source used in the quote so I’ve linked to a reprint of the news item on the Yahoo! News service.]

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 02/06/2006 at 03:14 PM

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Said Scott:

For many years this (evolution) was the accepted view.

It still is the accepted view. There’s a reason for that--it’s valid science.

But in “scientific circles� it has become an embarrassment.

You know, that’s really strange, considering that evolution is the accepted criterion for ALL science. Why do I get the feeling that, by “scientific circles,” you merely mean “creationist circles?” Do you have any proof that true “scientific circles” consider evolution to be an embarrassment, or is this a statement that you have pulled out of your ass? I know where I’m putting my money.

http://www.refcm.org/RICDiscussions/Science-Scripture/evolution.htm

Scott, from what I gather from this site, it appears to be “science” heavily influenced by Christian doctrine, and I’m sure that you consider this to be reputable science. I do not, and I don’t think you’re going to find many others around here (SEB) who do either.

For many years supporters of the theory attempted to overlook the contradiction between evolution’s requirement (self transformation to ever higher levels of organization), and the Second Law’s exactly opposite requirement, by claiming that the Second Law applies only to “closed systems� in which no energy enters from outside.

We’ve been through this already. I gave you a link to a reputable science site discussing matters of evolution--
here it is again--and you are free to do a cursory search around this site to find more evidence of the fact that evolution and the second law of thermodynamics do not, in fact, mutually exclude one another. Whether or not you choose to accept this fact is up to you, but please stop dragging this point into your rebuttals. Repeating it over and over again won’t make it any more true.

Many are now seriously considering intelligent design as an alternative.

This is quite simply bullshit, and you know it. No “scientists” other than creationists are seriously considering ID. And too bad for them, as in the case of the Dover school board, the Supreme Court rightly found the teaching of ID to be unconstitutional.

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IntractableOptimist United States Posted on 11/28/2006 at 10:46 PM

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I’m all for intelligent discourse, but I have to ask: From what bizarre, twisted universe do you get these ideas? There is no respectable scientific entity that considers evolution even shaky, let alone “an embarrassment”. Evolution in no way violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics; in fact, all of life harnesses the 2nd law for its very existence.

You seem to imagine that citing published works grants you automatic validity, but keep in mind that the National Enquirer is also published (and probably more widely read than anything you reference).

Les United States Posted on 11/29/2006 at 12:34 AM

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IO, it helps if you mention who you’re addressing. We get a lot of off-the-wall commenters around here so it can get confusing at times.

Ryan United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 03:08 PM

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I doubt that very few of you have ever even heard any of the proof against evolution. If you ask me, evolution has very little evidence suporting it at all. And if any of you can come up with evidence that “proves” evoultion, please post it.

Fact person United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 03:41 PM

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Most “proofs” of evolution tought in the public school today do not suport evoultion at all i.e. the pepered moth story. They suport natural selection wich, contrary to what the people osting may think, is accepted by creationism.

Fact person United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 03:53 PM

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It is said that, because we share 98% of our DNA with chimps, we must be 98% cimpanzee. But we also share 50% of DNA with bananas and, as far as I can tell, we are not half banana. If you disagree, take a good look in a miror. Do you see any peels? Or how about a stem sticking out of your head? If you are still dumb enough to think that you are 50% banana, then the banana must all be contained within your brain cavity because that is the only explanation for such idiocy.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 04:13 PM

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Ryan: “If you ask me, evolution has very little evidence suporting it at all. And if any of you can come up with evidence that “proves” evoultion, please post it.”

We didn’t ask you, Ryan, we asked people who know what the hell they’re talking about.

Proof is for mathematics, didn’t you know that?  Science starts with an hypothesis, finds supporting evidence, and develops it into a predictive theory.  Examples of other scientific theories include atomic theory, gravitational theory, germ theory and quantum theory.  None are regarded as “facts” but they’re damn reliable and evolutionary theory is supported by as much or more evidence as any of them.

The chemical machinery of life - the really complicated stuff - is quite similar between a banana tree and a whale, or a human.  The rest is structure.

But all that science stuff is too hard for you, isn’t it?  It requires you to think on time and distance scales that are unfamiliar to you.  Much easier to say; “If it is beyond my immediate senses, it must be outside the observable universe altogether and constitutes proof of God.”

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 04:46 PM

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Ryan: I doubt that very few of you have ever even heard any of the proof against evolution.

I’ve heard some pretty flimsy counter-arguments to the theory of evolution, most of which have been thoroughly debunked many times. I have yet to hear about any “proof” against evolution.

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Les United States Posted on 12/18/2006 at 06:02 PM

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First off, Ryan, pick a fucking name and stick with it. First you use Ryan then you use Fact Man. Make up your damned mind.

Secondly, you’ve given us no reason (especially after changing your name) to take anything you say seriously so the fact that you think there’s no evidence for Evolution just shows what a dumbfuck you are.

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