A Paper I Found On The Subject Of Atheism

Posted by LaoTzu on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 at 02:28 AM. Read 1011 times. Tags: ,
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Found this at http://www.tencommandments.org, under the atheist link, the bolded part is actually bolded on the site. And there’s six LONG pages about this, if you’re really bored.

The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. Satan is its author.

It’s important to remain conscious of the fact that Satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary’s meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says “under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God’s existence.”

Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit the existence of God.

Atheism is the ultimate of Satanism. Ask Satan does God exist and he will deny it. Ask him does Satan exist and he will deny his own existence even while in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other.

Go read the rest of it, its funny as hell, and full of shit. Being an atheist, this doesn’t upset me, make me angry, or anything else, it just makes me laugh. Since when do atheists refuse to admit the existence of God, despite the fact that we obviously know he exists (ha fucking ha), that is the complete opposite of what athiests believe.  We believe (I’m reffering to about most, not all atheist), that there simply is no God, I don’t see why people don’t see that. Later on in the fictional fairy tale, Robert Lee (author of paper), states that we refuse to admit the true author of The Ten Commandments, because the ideas stated are beyond human authorship, which proves their divine authorship. With the exception of of the first four commandments, which refers specifically to God, almost every religion (including Atheism) known to man holds these to be true, because it they are human nature due to our compassion, and morality (with of course exceptions, such as rapists and crooks). It just amazes me how many true believers are against atheism more so than any other religion that is not their own, and using arguments that aren’t legitimate arguments because it just shit written by people too blinded by their own faith to see the truth of another’s.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 12:36 PM

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Double-dipping.

To make the nature of my objection absolutely clear, there are two issues at stake that mustn’t be conflated.

First, I take a dim view of anybody that tries to portray that commandment, no matter how translated, as an attempt to justify the elimination of undesirables. To put it mildly, the author of the website is way out of line, but so are some posters here. I don’t believe that this commandment can be reasonably interpreted that way and anybody on either side of the debate that attempts to do so should be called on it.

Second, there is the underlying moral question concerning the justafiability of taking a life and how the versions translated as ‘not kill’or ‘not murder’ compare. Please note that the commandment is silent on exactly what it is that mustn’t be killed or murdered. Any life at all? Sentient life? Homo Sapiens Sapiens? Intelligent space aliens? There are other definitional problems, like what is meant by ‘kill’ or ‘murder’?

Since the commandment itself is silent on that score, the fundamentalist interpretation should be the broadest possible, which makes me wonder how such a fundamentalist gets food on the table. If we limit ourselves to beings meeting a certain threshold of sentience (in itself a fuzzy boundary), one runs into pragmatic and theological problems. The most fundamentalist interpretation of prohibiting killing should lead one to the untenable position of avoiding any action that could lead to the conceivable loss of life, like driving a car.

It doesn’t matter how you phrase the commandment, it needs context to delineate the boundary cases and it’s a matter of preference how you phrase “In general, killing is unjustified, but there are regrettable exceptions.” Having said that, there will always be somebody trying to broaden the limits in furtherance of a personal agenda. For all my dislike of Christianity, I don’t want to fall into the trap of confusing extremists with the vast majority of Christians.

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warbi United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 01:04 PM

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To further muddy the waters- Exodus 20.13 “You shall not kill.” Exodus 21.12-14 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.  But if he did not lie in wait for him,but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee.  But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him treacherously, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.” This certainly seems to imply varying degrees of transgression.

swordsbane United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 02:05 PM

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I’m sorry, but if you have old testament writings saying how God completely destroyed a city who’s only crime was not believing in God and having land that the people of God wanted, then you can use the bible to pretty much justify killing anyone who is ‘different’ than you.  I’m not saying you >should< do that, but the OT god was one that the KKK would be proud of.  This guy’s web site is pretty tame by comparison.  “You Shall Not Murder” comes from the OT so you have to figure that what they meant by murder isn’t nearly what we mean.  Killing athiests is chicken feed next to wiping out whole civilizations because they say “No.  Please go away.” Only the NT has the peace/love/tolerance thing going and even then it isn’t the same kind of tolerance that we use.
Taken at face value, the ten commandments are a “Good Thing” It would scare me if I thought they were written by God.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 03:12 PM

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Swordsbane, I don’t think we’ll ever be able to agree.

You first made a statement about a commandment in isolation. To support your interpretation, you now fall back on a part of scripture, the OT, that has technically been superceded in at least Catholicism (at least, that’s my understanding of it) and is emphasized to varying degrees in the other Christian demominations (ignoring the other Abrahamic religions).

If you say that the Bible can be selectively read to support just about any claim, you won’t get an argument from me. However, if you yourself base an argument on a selective reading of the Bible, then you argue like certain fundamentalists.

I also note that you didn’t comment on the underlying moral issue. Do you believe there is no conceivable justification for the taking of a life? If you do, where does this put you in the context of this discussion?

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swordsbane United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 05:52 PM

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My position on the underlying moral issue is that it’s not a moral issue.  The origonal translations of the OT use the word ‘murder’ This means that the definition of ‘murder’ is based on the culture of the times.  The OT (where the 10 C come from) is full of graphically awful things perpetrated by God on those not of his following (and some pretty nasty things on his followers too) God’s ‘morality’ is as a vengeful, cruel, tyrannical bastard.  Given that, I’ve got no inherent problem with this guy’s web site.... Except the fact that I think he’s an anachronistic asshole.  He’s either right or wrong, depending on which side of the fence you fall on, but I can’t fault his logic in arriving at his statement that athiests must be killed.  He’s living in OT land.  And he’s right, The OT says ‘It’s good to kill those who do not follow God.’ If you find that uncomfortable, sorry.  ‘Morally’ I don’t think anyone on this board would agree with him, me included, but the general consensus seems to be that he doesn’t know what the bible really means.  I think he’s got that part down pretty well.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/16/2005 at 06:18 PM

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My position on the underlying moral issue is that it’s not a moral issue.

This is a fruitless exchange.

If you consider the question of whether and when the taking of a life as not a moral issue, then we don’t have enough common ground to continue.

You are also evading to address that the Bible is more than just the OT and I won’t even ask you about your opinion of Judaism.

Further, you contradict yourself. Following your interpretation, the author seems remarkably astute in his understanding of the Bible, yet you deny him that acclamation.

But whatever. You commit the No True Christian fallacy in reverse and I’ll leave it to an adherent of that religion to continue this exchange.

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aqaas Malaysia Posted on 12/29/2005 at 03:06 AM

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CIVILIZATION is a fucking fucking failure.

zilch Austria Posted on 12/29/2005 at 04:06 AM

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aqaas- yes and no.  Do you have running water?

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