A call for calm after the election storm.

Posted by Les on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 03:28 PM. Read 4391 times. Tags:
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I’d like to ask everyone who’s upset over Bush winning re-election to pause for a moment, take a deep breath, and just try to relax. For the past 24 hours or so far too many Liberals have been running around as though hot nuclear death were raining down from the sky and they only had minutes remaining to be someplace else very far away. More than a few people have emphatically stated their intentions to move to another country and I’m sure more than a few of you are deadly serious about it. Quite a few others are wasting energy on being angry, depressed, worried, bitter, melancholy, or what have you and often times more than one of those emotions at once. In short, a lot of us are being not just reactionary, but over-reactionary to this development. Yes, I think a lot of us are overreacting and not thinking this through with a clear head like we should be.

For starters, nothing has really changed yet. America didn’t suddenly become a theocracy when Kerry called Bush and conceded. None of Bush’s goals in his agenda suddenly became a foregone conclusion with his reelection. The Bill of Rights wasn’t set alight and outlawed the moment Bush gave his victory speech. But you might think all of those things had happened if you were to judge us simply by how we’ve reacted. The truth is America still has a long way to go before our worst fears become reality and the worst thing we could do that would help ensure those fears come to pass is to throw our hands up in frustration or flee like scared rabbits.

Let’s address the option some folks are considering of moving out of the country. Canada seems to be a popular choice for a lot of folks who are seriously considering leaving mainly due to its more left-leaning government and populace. Canada is certainly willing to take you on, but you’ll have to get in line with everyone else who’s trying to move there from other countries. Word has it that legal immigration to Canada can take upwards of a year and then it’s another three years before you can become a full citizen. You could move in ahead of schedule if you manage to land a job there first and that’ll require a work permit, which is still a good four to six months in the future if you apply today. As long as you’re waiting you may as well ask yourself a few questions starting with, ‘Do I really think this means I’m leaving the problems in America behind?’ Consider that for a moment: For better or worse, America is the most powerful nation on the planet. If we were all to give up and abandon ship leaving the country to the right-wingers to do with as they please, how long do you think it would be before you once again started to feel the impact of that decision? If the Dominionists succeed in their goal of reshaping America into a true “Christian Nation” as they envision it, do you really think they’re going to be happy with that and leave the rest of the world alone? We’ve already read about how their goal is, quite literally, world domination. Imagine an America reshaped and run by these people. Do you honestly think you’d be safe anywhere on the planet with them in control back here?

For those of you who are busy panicking over this development you should be asking yourself, ‘How does this help the situation?’ The short answer is: It doesn’t. At best it’s a waste of energy and at worst it confirms everything the opposition believes is true about us. It also tends to feed on itself as it’s difficult to think clearly when you’re busy overreacting and we end up falling back on some of the very tendencies we take Conservatives to task for such as black and white thinking. Caught up in our own emotions we resort to knee-jerk reactions and lose sight of some very important facts.

For example, take a look at this USA Today map that breaks down how each county in each state voted into either Red of Blue. If you’re a Liberal then you probably find the sight of that map a bit depressing, but does it really say anything other than a particular county was won by one side or the other? No, it’s a simple binary depiction that gives you no indication how close the race in any particular county might have been and if you do some searching you’ll probably find that the race in many areas was very close.

Consider Oakland County, Michigan where Kerry got 319,607 votes and Bush got 316,567 making for a 50% to 49% win for Kerry with a mere 3040 votes difference. Now contrast that with Alpena County, Michigan where Bush scored 7,665 votes to Kerry’s 7,406 making for another 50% to 49% win for the other side with only 259 votes separating them. More importantly take a look at Michigan as a whole in that CNN county-by-county breakdown that colors the counties based on how strongly they allied with one side or the other. By my count there were at least 16 counties that were so close as to not show a hint of either red or blue and there were only a handful of counties that could be considered to be strongly on one side or the other. Looking at the other states you’ll find a couple that were mostly blue-tinted such as Massachusetts and a couple that were mostly red-tinted such as Oklahoma, but in a lot of them you’ll find that there’s an awful lot of white counties where it could easily have gone either way and even more counties where support one way or the other was just barely enough to give the state any tint at all.  If we were to apply this graduated concept to a map of how the states voted you might end up with a map like this one over at BoingBoing.net which has an awful lot of purple on it.

That’s the effect of those moderates we keep forgetting about that make up a good portion of the population. People like ***Dave who tend to lean liberal, but still has some consevative aspects to his nature as well. I think ***Dave is a good representative of the moderate viewpoint in part because of his entries dealing with his struggle to decide which candidate he was going to vote for. I take comfort in the fact that when I look at those maps that provide a graduated scale showing how strong one county or another happened to be for either side that the majority of them could be open to persuasion and a well reasoned argument to go the other way next time.

It’s important in times like this that we are level-headed enough to look for what the reality is as opposed to what we fear it might be. Just as the majority of Christians aren’t far-right Fundamentalist assholes, not everyone who voted for Bush is a die-hard Conservative who is beyond all reasoning with. It’s easy to forget this because we generally tend to get into arguments with the folks who ARE those things as opposed to the moderates. It’s also important to remember that we argue with them not because we foolishly think we’ll change their minds, but because we’re hoping our reasoning will resonate with the folks who are open to considering other viewpoints. If we just throw up our hands in frustration and feel sorry for ourselves, though, then we will end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy. We can sit around and pout and point fingers at what age groups we had pinned our hopes on that didn’t show up or how 51% of the nation must be clueless morons or any of a dozen other excuses we can dream up. Or we can take a deep breath, take a critically honest look at ourselves, our message, and our situation and then move forward determined not to let this setback crush our spirits. The only constant is change and even the darkest days eventually give way to better times.

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ellie United States Posted on 11/14/2004 at 04:33 PM

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“More often than not the strong survive and the week are the ones that suffer.”

This is only true if we evolved from ameobas & there is nothing higher than our brains.  I’ve seen too many cases of strong protecting the weak to believe this to always be the case.  Really, it mostly happens when others turn a blind eye.

“All countries need to fuel there economy. When they are being locked out by one, (not allowed to bid) they will find a way to internationally compete.”

I don’t quite see that fact the same way.  What the hell are they “locked out of?” EVERYONE agreed to sanction Saddam.  I’ve lived in those countries, they don’t “need” 1/8 the fuel we do, you can’t even really use it for heating.  We gobble up something like 10 times as much oil as anyone else, & we still refuse to buy from him, & we are the ONLY country to refuse to buy from Iran.  We are allies with Israel, who has NO oil, & against her enemies who DO have oil.

It also might not be quite correct to put Enron & Halliburton in the same category.  Halliburton is only under investigation, & as much as all those opposed to the war on Terror would like the allegations to become a conviction, that hasn’t happened yet.  Companies have to make a profit working overseas or they won’t do it.  Making a profit doesn’t mean corruption.  Lying does.

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/14/2004 at 05:08 PM

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ellie, you do not really care about the truth. Are you so naive to think that the people that say go to prison are always the guilty one over the other party? The guy with the girl deserved her over the contender. I feel you are not worth my time. You just want to disagree for the sake of the augment.

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/14/2004 at 05:20 PM

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It has not occurred to you that China buys from them, That it is then shipped across the ocean to our country and forces prices down. That the people here will buy it and sell it. That it effects our economy. That our government chooses to control our economy right down to the dinner table.

deadscot United States Posted on 11/14/2004 at 07:00 PM

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(Just like there is always matter with many different views of it, but there is NO anti-matter.)

Actually, there IS antimatter.

It also might not be quite correct to put Enron & Halliburton in the same category.  Halliburton is only under investigation, & as much as all those opposed to the war on Terror would like the allegations to become a conviction, that hasn’t happened yet.

I would argue that it’s fair to group both companies.  Halliburton has been convicted on multiple counts of SEC fraud as was Enron.  Halliburton was convicted of defrauding the US government as was Enron, we’re just waiting to see how much they get way with on this one.

ellie United States Posted on 11/14/2004 at 11:42 PM

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Truth is one of the things I care about most.  No, not simply for the sake of argument.  I think it’s important to expose my views to disagreement to see how strong they are.  If your senario involving China is correct, China is the 2nd largest consumer, so I don’t think they’re leaving us much.  Either way, French, German, & Russian corporations are still morally reprehensible for taking something PURELY for profit & lying about where they got it.  So far all you have done is disagree, & I can’t see any support you have given for your beliefs except that it allows you to blame others for screwing up the world rather than take responsibility for what you could do to improve it.  As for antimatter, I wouldn’t trust ABC to tell me what country I live in.  Theory doesn’t make truth.  & I haven’t come accross any stories finding Halliburton guilty...?

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 12:26 AM

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Then maybe this will help:

Published on Thursday, August 10, 2000 in the Chicago Tribune
Cheney’s Black Gold:
Oil Interests May Drive US Foreign Policy
by Marjorie Cohn
What do the Persian Gulf, the Caspian Sea and the Balkans have in common? U.S. domination in these areas serves the interests of corporate multimillionaires such as Dick Cheney. As George Bush’s secretary of defense, Cheney was chief prosecutor of Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Humanitarian rhetoric notwithstanding, the bombing of Iraq--which continues to this day--was primarily aimed at keeping the Persian Gulf safe for U.S. oil interests. Shortly after Desert Storm, the Associated Press reported Cheney’s desire to broaden the United States’ military role in the region to hedge future threats to gulf oil resources. Cheney is CEO of Dallas-based Halliburton Co., the biggest oil-services company in the world. Because of the instability in the Persian Gulf, Cheney and his fellow oilmen have zeroed in on the world’s other major source of oil--the Caspian Sea. Its rich oil and gas resources are estimated at $4 trillion by U.S. News and World Report. The Washington-based American Petroleum Institute, voice of the major U.S. oil companies, called the Caspian region, “the area of greatest resource potential outside of the Middle East.” Cheney told a gaggle of oil industry executives in 1998, “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.”

But Caspian oil presents formidable obstacles. Landlocked between Russia, Iran and a group of former Soviet republics, the Caspian’s “black gold” raises a transportation dilemma. Russia wants Caspian oil to run through its territory to the Black Sea. The United States, however, favors pipelines through its ally, Turkey.

Although the cheapest route would traverse Iran to the Persian Gulf, U.S. sanctions against Iran block this alternative. Cheney has lobbied long and hard, as recently as June, for the lifting of those sanctions, to lubricate the Iran-Caspian connection. This is consistent with his position, described in a 1997 article in The Oil and Gas Journal, that oil and gas companies must do business in countries with policies unpalatable to the U.S.

Cheney also favors the repeal of section 907 of the 1992 Freedom Support Act, which severely restricts U.S. aid to Azerbaijan because of its ethnic cleansing of the Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh, a mountainous enclave in Azerbaijan. Why would Cheney choose to ignore Azerbaijan’s human-rights violations? Because Azerbaijan, key to the richest Caspian oil deposits, is, according to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, “in fact, the focal point of the next round in the Great Game of Nations, a dangerous, hot-headed place with a Klondike of wealth beneath it. It is Bosnia with oil.”

Cheney’s oily fingerprints are all over the Balkans as well. Last year, Halliburton’s Brown & Root Division was awarded a $180 million a year contract to supply U.S. forces in the Balkans. Cheney also sits on the board of directors of Lockheed Martin, the world’s largest defense contractor. Replacing munitions used in the Balkans could result in $1 billion in new contracts.

War is big business and Dick Cheney is right in the middle of it.

Meanwhile, our energy and gasoline prices continue to soar in many parts of the United States. OPEC controls the oil production in the Persian Gulf. Cheney, worried about a falloff in investment, spoke in favor of OPEC cutting oil production so oil and gasoline prices could rise.

Cheney is ineluctably invested in keeping the world safe for his investments.

Although he stepped down as CEO of Halliburton, he still owns shares of stock in the conglomerate and his financial interests in the Persian Gulf, the Caspian region and the Balkans will invariably continue. Chosen by George W. Bush to bring foreign-policy expertise to the GOP presidential ticket, we can expect a Republic administration to increase U.S. intervention in regions when it suits Dick Cheney’s oil and other corporate concerns.

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 12:29 AM

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Right now there are sanctions on Azerbaijan. We’re not allowed to spend any U.S. government dollars in that country. That’s not a response to what we perceive to be sound foreign policy in that part of the world. It’s more specifically a reflection of a desire by Congress to respond to the concerns voiced by the Armenian-American community, which is bigger than the Azerbaijani-American community. As a result we currently have a prohibition against U.S. government money being spent in Azerbaijan....The problem in part stems from the view by my former colleagues on Capitol Hill that sanctions are the low-cost option. It is the cheap, easy thing to do. You don’t have to appropriate any taxpayer’s money. You don’t send any young Americans into combat....

An example that comes immediately to mind has to do with efforts to develop the resources of the former Soviet Union in the Caspian Sea area. It is a region rich in oil and gas. Unfortunately, Iran is sitting right in the middle of the area and the United States has declared unilateral economic sanctions against that country. As a result, American firms are prohibited from dealing with Iran and find themselves cut out of the action, both in terms of opportunities that develop with respect to Iran itself, and also with respect to our ability to gain access to Caspian resources. Iran is not punished by this decision. There are numerous oil and gas development companies from other countries that are now aggressively pursuing opportunities to develop those resources. That development will proceed, but it will happen without American participation. The most striking result of the government’s use of unilateral sanctions in the region is that only American companies are prohibited from operating there. --Dick Cheney, head of Haliburton, June 23, 1998.

http://www.alternet.org/story/12525
http://www.harvardwatch.org/
http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp
http://www.itsallpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=482&start=0

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 12:41 AM

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Now Ellie, tell me just how much time did you spen in China? Did you talk to any of the oil exporters there? Admittedly it has been awhile for me but the plans have not changed, as I see them, Maybe you can shed some light on the subject at this point.

deadscot United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 03:55 AM

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*cough* um, That ’ABC that you’re incorrectly referencing happens to be governmental library link to the ABC’s of Nuclear Science.

Now I can see how you missed those articles about Halliburton’s Fraudulent Behavior.

Oh, China is actually Third in import consumption, with imports approximately half that of the United.

Truth is one of the things I care about most.  No, not simply for the sake of argument.

Are you sure?

ellie United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 10:02 PM

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I shouldn’t have used a science analogy, since I only know the basics.  I was taught in physics that there is no anti-matter, & I lack the interest or sophistication in science to grasp that theory.  It doesn’t change the basic principle of rhetoric that while we may not know the facts and there are differing perspectives of them, there is no such thing as non-facts unless you can prove lies. I ascertained that you do not thing allegations of corruption against the U.N. & European corporations are lies.

Once again you’ve demonstrated an ability to ignore my question to drone on about something I don’t care about.  To be fair, I’m sure me being angry about the murder of innocent people sounds the same to you.  So let’s say (for the sake of argument, truth, if you insist,) that Halliburton is guilty of, uh… squeezing out the competition to charge our military more than they had to to make a reasonable profit, I guess.  & sure, blah, blah, blah, our government or this administration or whatever has unfair/corrupt policies toward Azerbaijan. (Which my friend who grew up there agrees with, BTW.) I’m not asking you to believe our government is fair or good.

I’m asking if it seems in any way possible that European countries are likewise corrupt, to the tune of 22 billion dollars & as yet uncounted deaths.  The U.N. doesn’t even have the excuse that Clinton did.  These lies aren’t about sex.  They are ACTIVELY blocking the investigation.  Enron was (by comparison) 600 million on paper that didn’t exist to blow up their worth & therefore non-existent, not stolen, & a measly 14 million from investors.  (How many people do you know who are wealthy & can afford to invest in the stock market?) I can’t even find an amount for Halliburton because their critics keep spitting out the cost of the whole war.

I know you may not care, I just want to know WHY Enron & Halliburton make you so much angrier than the French, Germans, Russians & the U.N?  I know the reason for my bias is that the U.N. isn’t even SUPPOSED to be a company for profit.  They’re supposed to PROTECT lives, not destroy them for profit.  I may be wrong, but the European companies involved KNEW Saddam was killing people & hoped to get WMDs.  Enron officials took $ from investors & employees.  $ can be replaced, lives can’t.  As for Halliburton, even if the worst alligations are true, (& I may be wrong) I don’t see how it costs lives.  The life of a terrorist is to me a negative-sum “black hole.” It’s not that a terrorist is not human, but if s/he lives, numerous others die.  I’m glad our soldiers have the equipment to kill terrorists & protect themselves.

& while I’m at it, I guess I’ll go for broke.  WHY are we allies with Israel, who has NO oil, & against Iran & others who do have oil?  God forbid, in no way am I asking you to consider that our country is anything less than the scourge of the earth & the only remaining cause of pain & suffering therefore inhibiting a European Utopia...okay, I’ll stop with the sarcasm.  I actually want to know what you think of these things...PLEASE NOTE I AM AWARE THAT ENRON IS CURRUPT & UNDERSTNAND YOUR ARGUMENT THAT HALLIBURTON IS AS WELL.  COULD YOU PLEASE CLEARLY ANSWER REGARDING OIL-FOR-FOOD & ISRAEL???

ellie United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 10:06 PM

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To make it simpler, do you see Halliburton as equal, better, or worse if guilty of planning to get oil through Azerbaijan in spite of ethnic cleansing?  I guess Saddam isn’t that bad, he murdered people of all ethnicities who disagreed with him.

deadscot United States Posted on 11/15/2004 at 11:22 PM

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Sorry I didn’t respond to your original question as I was only originally responding to this thread to correct a few overlooked errors.

Do I think the UN is corrupt and has blood on its hands?  Yep.  In the same way that US congress is corrupt, UK and French Parliaments are corrupt and so on.  The difference being when the corruption occurs in the UN, it is generally more visible and has a more widespread impact due to the global nature of the organization.

Enron was (by comparison) 600 million on paper that didn’t exist to blow up their worth & therefore non-existent, not stolen, & a measly 14 million from investors.  (How many people do you know who are wealthy & can afford to invest in the stock market?) I can’t even find an amount for Halliburton because their critics keep spitting out the cost of the whole war.

Not sure what you’re after here.  I know of quite of few people that lost their retirement investment because of Enron and are know back in the labor force.  Enron didn’t just exaggerate earnings.  Cooking the books and money shifting is little more complex than that.  Are you looking for an amount that Halliburton has recently bilked the US for?  I believe the number is around $600 mil.  But I digress.

Why are we allies with Israel? Ever since the Israel was reestablished following WWII, the United States, along with its NATO allies, vowed to protect and defend her.  It’s not a relationship maintained for economic or political benefit so much as a relationship of obligation.  Obviously, over the years that has changed to become more of a relationship with severe diplomatic influences.

To make it simpler, do you see Halliburton as equal, better, or worse if guilty of planning to get oil through Azerbaijan in spite of ethnic cleansing?  I guess Saddam isn’t that bad, he murdered people of all ethnicities who disagreed with him.

I see Halliburton’s behavior equal to that of the European leaders and the UN in the oil for food scandal.  Traditionally, Halliburton has done everything in their power to bend the law with total disregard for the intent.  This has resulted in their style of predatory capitalism providing for and creating more terrorist organizations throughout the middle-east for the world to contend with.

To speak to the issue of Azerbaijan directly.  Remember, in 1997, Dick Cheney himself lobbied congress to remove sanctions against Azerbaijan stating they were not doing anything to violate human rights.  As it turns out, all he wanted to do was open the doors for Halliburton.

Keith Richard Radford Jr. United States Posted on 11/16/2004 at 05:54 PM

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This is a place where only opinion can be attached to the discussion by me. In an earlier post I made the statement that it was a view of event. I feel that ethnic cleansing is wrong. It is as wrong now as it was 5ooo years ago. The taking of a mans life is wrong, especially when it is for the pushing of an economy when the policy makers see wealth over the peoples best interest in humanity. Back to the view, Its kind of like a car crash from two sides of the street. one sees the car coming from the right and one from the left, both see the crash differently. I am an American that does not like dung in my home. Its not that I like dung at all it is just that I talk about what I feel is effecting me more. On a global scale and if I was there I would be more knowledgeable about the effects of the action/actions there. The whole thing is wrong and the keeping with an oil base economy is out dated. Just keeping those that do not know another way to keep in the living style that they have become accustom to by ruining the earth and killing people on it is what upsets this simple man. Global warming is being ignored, people being headed through society to create a funnel for the military, bombing innocent, the theft of a nations political structure overall thanks to people like Tom Delay and the hypocrisies of money over humanity while we suffer just has the smell of a dung pile. I just hope that by my writing people know that not all Americans like the way thing are.

Best regards,

KRRJR

ellie United States Posted on 11/17/2004 at 02:40 PM

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Thanx, I appreciate the straight answers.  I can see your point of view, although I don’t necessarily agree in that I put a higher priority on UN world scandal for the very reasons deadscot said:  “The difference being when the corruption occurs in the UN, it ... generally ... has a more widespread impact due to the global nature of the organization.” But I would disagree that it’s more visible.  People report what they like & few people want the UN to look bad, whereas no one cares about Enron or Halliburton’s reputation except the CEO’s & investors.  I differ in that I put a higher priority on UN corruption because it is not a business, & there is no agency to police it as our government can corporations.

william United States Posted on 10/07/2005 at 03:34 PM

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I just bumped into your site.  It is several months after the election but I must say that enjoyed your very rational essay.  I think you are right, we need to think about not alienating the moderates who could swing the other way next time.

Interestingly, there is a sociological theory of “social change” that suggests that for significant social change to take place (say public sentiment against a war) there always needs to be a “vangard” that brings attention to problem which is then resolved by the moderates (maybe that’s like the mother outside Bush’s ranch in Texas the other month).

On that note, let me suggest that the great Sociologist C. Wright Mills explained in his 1950’s book “The Power Elite” that the economic elite (the grandchildren of the robber barrons plus the newer wealthy owners of the military industrial complex) - recognized by no less a conservative republican then Dwight Eisenhower - would use that power to take over the political system.  One of the ways they do this is to groom some of their children to become politicians (the political elite).  Usually, at an Ivy League University, like Yale, where they belong to a secret society, like Skull and Bones. 

The theory is given great credibility by the remarkable exchange of letters between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in their later years regarding the “aristocracy” (see Pulitzer Prize winning history by Joseph Ellis - The Founding Brothers - last chapter “the friendship").  There are also numerous facts to support the theory, such as the very demonstrable and incredible accumulation of wealth within 1/2 of 1% of the U.S. population.  I won’t belabor the point, though I surely could.

So, where is the vangard?  Where are the leaders in our time comparable to Tom Paine, Adams, Franklin, Washington, Madison, Jefferson etc.?

John Kerry? Here is a paraphrase summary of an interview of Kerry by Charlie Rose a month or two before the elections:

So John, I believe you went to the same University as George W?  Yeah that’s right Charlie, we both went to Yale.

An I understand it John you were also in the same secret society, Skull and Bones, as George W., is that correct?

Well yes Charlie we were.

Well tell me John, what was that like?

Well Charlie, that’s why they call it a secret society.

No more questioning along those lines by Rose.

Unless we can take back our political system from the grip of the elite, I am a little concerned about our ability to deal with the very real and very serious global environmental catastrophe that is looming in the background.  I highly recommended visiting globalwarming.com and exploring the links to the input from the “real” scientific community. 

Globalwarming.com is a “virtual” march on Washington to conslude on earth day April 2006.  I want a “real” march starting on Lexington green (the site of “the shot heard round the world") April 19, 2006 and marching to Washington D.C. by July 4th (with all the media attentio we can get) and camping on the public space until the legislative and executive branches deal with the problem.  Or, we begin the process of throwing all but the few lwft that have any integrity out of office in Novemwber 2006

We need to do this for our children and grandchildren.  I’ll be on Lexington Green at the minuteman statue April 19, 2006.  Democracy is coming!

William Prince

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