Posted on 11/07/2009 at 12:34 PMIncidentally, you folks might want to hold off on commenting any further as I’m in the middle of exporting everything to WP. This entry has already been moved and the last 5 comments will be lost. 6 if you count this one.
Posted on 11/07/2009 at 08:07 AMAnd why do you keep changing your IP?
He’s got to be using proxies to hide his real IP. It’s the MO of spammers and cowardly trolls.
Posted on 11/07/2009 at 08:04 AMWhat does troll-san remind me of? Oh, right. A cold war-era joke. The Soviet Union attributed all kinds of scientific discoveries to Russians and one joke went like this:
The Russian farmer Ivan Pavlovich discovered x-rays in 1850, he said to his wife “I see you through and through.” In 1895 a German built a machine to do it.
Troll/spam-san, a few ground rules. You come here with a preposterous claim and hawk some website in support of it. The only reasons to look at the site are boredom and needing a good laugh. You can stuff your goading, the burden of proof rests on you.
If you really want to debate your particular delusion, pick one example and post it here. It might even be entertaining to us, because we rarely get non-Christian nutters.
Posted on 11/07/2009 at 07:55 AMFor the third time: There are no scientific facts in the koran.
Are you blind? Are you mad or as feather-headed as a dabchick?
You read a paragraph of vague obfuscated bullshit and try to intepret it as scientific facts? Let me buy you a clue: Science is specific, clear and unambigous.
You really are a fucking moron. And why do you keep changing your IP?
Keep worshipping you pedophile god if you like. Just don’t come to an atheist board and expect validation.
You think you’re the first moron to come here spouting superstitious nonsense? You think we haven’t heard it a thousand times before? How do you think that Dr. Asimov refuted your bullshit even though he probably never encountered it in this specific form?
You want even a slim chance to convince us? Bring something new, not the same old crap. You think we have the patience to keep refuting the same old stupidity again and again to each new fucking idiot who shows up?
Posted on 11/07/2009 at 07:50 AMWhy can’t these people LEARN THEIR OWN FUCKING RELIGEON.
Halloween should actually be written Hallow e’en- it is a contraction of All Hallows Eve, the night before the Christian festival of All Saints Day. It’s nothing to do with God’s drinking buddy.
There you go again not answering what I asked. You say he did not know anything about science. I’m providing you scientific facts in the Quran with statements of the scientists and all you can come up with is “he did not know all this”. Its like showing a kid an apple, asking him where it came from and him saying “this is not an apple.” If you dont have an answer than say so.
Posted on 11/07/2009 at 05:42 AMHow did Muhammad (p.b.u.h) know all this? I know you guys do not have an answer and that is why you have resorted to insults.
I already answered your question: Ole Mohmmy knew crap about science. I guess you resort to insults because you know you’re full of crap and so ignore the answers you’re given.
All I ask is an unbiased mind while you listen to what I have to say. Is it too much to ask?
You’re not asking for an unbiased mind. You want us to be as brainwahed as yourself because no thinking person would take ole Mohmmy’s claims seriously.
In the name of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (praise be unto Her Holy Hooves).
Leguru,
It was not hearsay. Muhammad (p.b.u.h) dictated the Quran to his companions and they would write it down. After they wrote down each verse, they would read it out loud for Muhammad (p.b.u.h) to confirm. This process would carry on until the verse was written down in the exact way as it was revealed from God. You people are behaving like children here. I asked a simple question. How did Muhammad (p.b.u.h) know all this? I know you guys do not have an answer and that is why you have resorted to insults. All I ask is an unbiased mind while you listen to what I have to say. Is it too much to ask?
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 07:24 PMJulian: Thanks for the link. Reminds me of the monkey on the typewriter . . .
Peace
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 05:34 PMFrom now on, every time I hear or see a tragic news bulletin, I’m going to instinctively think “Was it Glenn Beck? Was it Limbaugh?” Then be disappointed when it’s someone else.
/Going to hell. Aisle seat please.
I have to show this to my kids.
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 03:32 PMGlenn Beck is one of the disguisting people that get to run their fat mouths cause they are so gross they qualify as a minority. Just like that douchie Miss America loser and Rush Limburger they get away with what they say thanks to their looks.
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 01:39 PMSince I’ve come across this specific bullshit muslim argument before:
Scientists and Sages by Isaac Asimov
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 01:29 PMMickey Mouse is stupid anyway.
I can’t believe Disney relies on it for it’s logo.
Stupid is Mickey Mouse.
They do it because MM still makes money. Like everything in Hollywood (and pretty much everything where money changing hands is involved) trying something new is what you do when everything else fails.
Also keep in mind that every few years, there are kids for which Mickey Mouse is brand new, so when people stop paying to see him, Disney will stop updating the image and he’ll start collecting dust, but not before.
Mickey Mouse is stupid anyway.
I can’t believe Disney relies on it for it’s logo.
Stupid is Mickey Mouse.
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 12:06 PMI did read it, and it is all interpretation of what Muhammed said. And, as you mentioned, he never wrote anything because he was illiterate, so it was actually heresay evidence of what someone else claimed he said. If you really want to see scientific evidence of ancients who understood the workings of the universe, please read, “Life, An Enigma, a Precious Jewel,” by Daisaku Ikeda.
Peace
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 12:06 PMInteresting how you jumped from Canada to China in terms of your IP address there, San.
Open proxies if you ask me. I call ‘spam’ and ‘troll’.
Read this and kindly tell me how he knew all these scientific facts:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientific-Evidence-of-the-Existence-of-God
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 11:56 AMAnd I would love an answer in your opinion to how prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) knew all those scientific facts if he was not a prophet?
For one, claiming to speak for God is a clinical disorder listed in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, 4th Ed. by the American Psyciatric Association. In other words, Muhammed was certifiably insane and would be institutionalized for his prophesies today.
And, for your information, he married Ayisha when she was only SIX years old, waiting until she was nine to consummate the marriage. That is just a little young by any culture standards, unless, of course, you’re a “prophet” or cult leader.
Peace
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 11:30 AMInteresting how you jumped from Canada to China in terms of your IP address there, San. I’m beginning to think you’re a spammer.
And what Julian said. Muhammad didn’t know jack shit, but he told a good story.
Posted on 11/06/2009 at 07:21 AMAnd I would love an answer in your opinion to how prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) knew all those scientific facts if he was not a prophet?
He did not know any scientific facts.
If you try to open your eyes your confusion will vanish. You are biased. Whatever confusion you have for the personality of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) will vanish the second you start to think in a rational way, instead of a biased way.
For one thing, the age of the prophet’s wife at the time of her marriage is not an authentic fact. Second, it was normal at that time to get married at a young age, thus avoiding chances of fornication. It is funny how people find marriage at a young age scandolous but will accept it if a young girl gets pregnant without marriage.
About polygamy, I’m sure you are not aware that according to the Christian scriptures one can marry as many women as one wishes. It was only later, that the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one. The Bible did not condemn polygyny. To the contrary, the Old Testament and Rabbinic writings frequently attest to the legality of polygyny. Prophet & King Solomon (p.b.u.h) is said to have 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings; 11:3) Also, Prophet & King David (p.b.u.h) is said to have had many wives and concubines (2 Samuel; 5:13). The Old Testament does have some injunctions on how to distribute the property of a man among his sons from different wives (Deutronomy; 22:7). The only restriction on polygyny is a ban on taking a wife’s sister as a rival wife (Leviticus; 18:18) which is also not permissible in Islam. The Talmud advises a maximum of four wives. The Qur’an is the only religious book, that contains the phrase ‘MARRY ONLY ONE’ with instructions of justice. Polygyny is permissible to cater for different situations like more number of women in particular society or particular time due to famine, war etc, but it is not a religious obligation. People in the West look down upon polygyny, but living without marriage and extramarital affairs have been accepted by them as a norm. You need to see this too:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Judaism-Christianity-and-Islam-Three-religions-One-message
And I would love an answer in your opinion to how prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) knew all those scientific facts if he was not a prophet?
Yes it’s wrong. You’re going to burn in hell forever.
Fortunately you’ll be in good company.
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 11:53 PMOh that’s precious!
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 09:37 PM(Slaps forehead)Why didn’t I see that?
The devil is too stupid to understand that Jesus is the Lord of the Harvest 365 days a year
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Les,
Herein is proof that your cynical view has blinded you to the real, and valuable warnings she is providing.
Jesus is the Lord of the Harvest 365 days a year.
That means that every 4 years (when there are 366 days in a year) the devil, Corn King, or some other form of absolute malevolence has reign on the earth…and it’s people like you who are missing your opportunity to protect the souls of the raped and molested animals and people attending demon orgies from their influence.
You’re welcome.
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 08:06 PMHyundai is really coming up as a company and their quality is improving every year. They will likely give the Japanese a run for their money in the future. After seeing this I think I would consider them.
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 06:28 PMWell, now I believe that an illiterate pedophile polygamist who advocated genocide was a TRUE prophet of God. Does that mean that we all should be illiterate pedophiles? And, how should we treat women? Does it mean we all should advocate genocide? I’m so confused! ![]()
Peace
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 06:04 PMI am nothing special.I like being the regular guys chaplain.
Like Gandhi said, “Be the change you want to see.”
Compassion is such a rare commodity. How refreshing to see someone who walks the walk. Talk is very cheap.
Thank you, Chaplain Cook.
Peace
Posted on 11/05/2009 at 05:16 PMThen we need more people who are “nothing special”, particularly in politics. It’s like common sense. You’d think it would be everywhere, as in.. well… common.
It ain’t.
Thanks Guys and Gals,
I am the guy in the Airport Chapel story.
I am nothing special.
Yes every one that walks in the door is welcome.
Yes every one that walks in the door is loved.
I appreciate this blogs honesty.
Sometimes tables need to be overturned.
I like being the regular guys chaplain.
What ever it takes!!!
Chaplain Chester Cook
everyone needs to see this:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientific-Evidence-of-the-Existence-of-God
Posted on 11/04/2009 at 11:18 PM@ Terry 10/30/09:
As to being used to my congregation ‘drinking every word I say’ you might ask DOF how that works in actual practice.
So your congregation listens to every word you say, questions things you say as a skeptic would, point out mistakes every time you make them, ask for further clarification of your interpretations of the bible and questions those interpretations, etc? I would tend to think congregations exist because at least to some extent people agree with the leader of said congregation. Maybe not to the point of “drinking juice”, I’ll admit I was being somewhat facetious, but I would find it strange that a congregation wouldn’t have a high level of acceptance of what they read and heard from their church.
If I were religious I would go to a church that I liked and heard and read what I liked. Which I did when I attended a UU church in DOF’s town for 10 years. In fact (my family might be alone in this matter) my family “shopped” around till we found a church we liked. We tried a catholic one and a christian one but thought neither fully suited all of us. I would think most people tend to congregate around “like thinkers” like my family did, especially in towns with a high ratio of churches to people. I will admit that because I have never been the leader of a congregation I could be wrong here.
As to my sweeping generalization. I believe I asked you if it was true. It is the best demographic information I could find. I would welcome correction. If it is true – which point you did nothing to refute, the other question still stands. You yourself have asserted that most atheists are rationalists. Is that a sweeping generalization or are there indeed things that are true about most atheists. If so, how so? How many other things could you name that are true for most atheists?
Yes there are things that are true about atheists. But trying to pin down demographics would be very difficult thus leading me to say that any attempt to do so is likely a generalization and not based on concrete evidence. You have no more evidence to support your demographic assertion as I do to refute it. Maybe if either of us hunted around enough we could find something to support a demographic assertion one way or another, but being that it’s not well studied and a newer topic, I wouldn’t hold any evidence up as a shinning example. The actual fact of the matter is popular atheists like Dawkins get letters from atheists all over the place. And shocking to them and many others, they get letters from the South East region of the US.
So yes, I stand by my statement that what you said was a generalization.
Hmm, funny BTW how you skipped my True False questions as well.
Beyond that, sorry I spoke down to you. I’ll try not to repeat the mistake. You asserted that there was no discussion to be had about atheism as a non-ideological force and that there was a thread I could check on but that I really couldn’t add anything there either. You and your fellows have apparently already done all the heavy lifting. Again, not all atheist agree with you. Many atheists presume a core ideology. Your assertions about ‘no discussion to be had’ strikes me as reflexive orthodoxy which presumes ideology. It’s also the very same wall that Galileo ran into.
If you wanted to you could search for religious topics on this blog, but since I brought it up here are the links I was referring to:
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/atheism_religion_and_the_scarlet_a_in_my_sidebar/
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/do_you_consider_atheism_a_religion_no_well_you_should/P25/
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/americans_trust_in_organized_religion_at_all_time_low/
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/open_thread_on_the_word_atheism/
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/rabbi_gellman_tries_to_understand_angry_atheists_and_fails_to_do_so/
Not all of them pertain directly to this topic, but have topics of discussion that have been brought up here at some point.
Yes, there are atheists who disagree with me and I would expect that. What’s the point. Even religious people with an ideology have disagreements and some dont.
If I said that I could be a Christian without reference to the long historical course and currents of Christianity, you would, as you phrase it, call me out. Yet, somehow you believe you can be an atheist without reference to the historical course and currents of atheism or even American atheism. The fact that no one handed you a written creed means little. Atheism as an idea carries lots of implications and in its passage through time those implications have been worked out in concrete ways. What you all are doing in trying to avoid all this also has a name in philosophical, political, and debate circles. It’s called inoculation.
Yes atheism is an idea, but it is no ideology. It is the absence of acceptance of any religion or theism. I already showed you standard accepted definitions of this. And Tyler and others have questioned this point well enough. Look to the links above for more discussion on your points.
Terry 11/04/09
What mono or poly theism has to do with the discussion is beyond me. I think the point Tyler was making is that there is no ideology you prescribe to stating how and why you do not believe in the thousands of religions out there. You simply choose not to believe in them. Same with Atheists but we take it one step further than you.
All of these points brought up by Tyler you failed to address Terry:
Put another way, how, exactly, does your lack of belief in the existence of all the gods you lack belief in constitute an ideology? What is, “the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc.” that makes up your lack of belief in all those gods?
We’re waiting…
“Send more albino missionaries…”
Posted on 11/04/2009 at 10:23 PMColumbus’ report to the Court in Madrid was full of religious talk: “Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities.”
And from the present day:
The briefing’s cover sheet generally featured triumphant, color images from the previous days’ war efforts: On this particular morning, it showed the statue of Saddam Hussein being pulled down in Firdos Square, a grateful Iraqi child kissing an American soldier, and jubilant crowds thronging the streets of newly liberated Baghdad. And above these images, and just below the headline secretary of defense, was a quote that may have raised some eyebrows. It came from the Bible, from the book of Psalms: “Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him…To deliver their soul from death…”
If a human does something bad with religion, it’s fallen humanity’s fault. If a human does something good with religion, it’s to God’s credit. But Christianity isn’t anti-human.
Posted on 11/04/2009 at 10:06 PMSince the effect of monotheism on the course of history and civilization is demonstrable;
From, “A People’s History of the United States 1492—Present,” by Howard Zinn: “When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. . . .These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus.”
Columbus’ report to the Court in Madrid was full of religious talk: “Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities.”
On his return he made his headquarters on Haiti. “In two years, through murder, mutilation, or suicide, half of the 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead.” . . .“By the year 1515, there were perhaps fifty thousand Indians left. By 1550, there were five hundred. A report of the year 1650 shows none of the original Arawaks or their descendants left on the island.”
Yes, monotheism has certainly made a mark on history. You want to claim this mark for your religion?
Peace
Posted on 11/04/2009 at 06:58 PMTerry - what leguru said. Doesn’t seem to me that you’ve learned anything about atheism. You appear to have missed the point of Tyler’s question, for instance. Your distinction about monotheism vs. polytheism makes no sense in light of Islam (which is more monotheistic than Christianity) and atheistic strains of Buddhism. Or simply the presence of any ethical atheist. Your theory must account for those realities, and it doesn’t.
And asking for a logical argument from the New Testament that justifies poisoning or vengeance, is asking the wrong question. The Old Testament is out there, and Christians say they believe in it too, except where they don’t.
I have seen no evidence that any theism, including monotheism or atheism, consistently drives ethical framing. Ethical thought is driven by fully-developed religious, philosophical, political and/or economic philosophies or ideologies, which often intersect. Like Buddhism, Capitalism, Christianity, Communism, Fascism, Humanism, Islam, or Judaism.
It isn’t what the bible can be used logically to defend (and certainly neither testament is against misogyny or slavery), it’s what it has been used to defend, logically or not. It is useless as regards creating public policy.
Posted on 11/04/2009 at 12:02 PMGiven what I have learned of atheism here, it seems to me that Christianity regards man as more holy, not less.
Looks like you have failed to understand what the atheists here have tried to explain. Pity.
In response to your last paragraph, please review the third post by Patness on 4/11/09.
Peace
Amen my friend. I am watching C span and for the first time I am seeing this bogus lying rube for the right attack the common man and support of all things credit card companies. Unbelievable! She is an evil women. I would like her to have to face the tough world that most Americans live in. Then maybe she wouldn’t shill for corporate America!!!!
Tyler,
There is a body of doctrine in what you call my form of atheism (monotheism). It insists that there is One God – not a series of tribal or local gods or a set of different gods related to different manifestations of nature, etc. (polytheism). It insists that the One God is a better explanation of reality and a surer foundation for morality. Since the effect of monotheism on the course of history and civilization is demonstrable; your insistence that monotheism carries no ideological weight and makes no difference on any level greater than the personal reveals exactly why I should not take your insistence on the flavor neutrality of atheism seriously. Further, if a predominantly atheist society would not differ in any necessary, significant, structured, and predictable ways from a predominantly theistic society, you may as well drop all your hostility toward and claims of evil against religious thought in general. At least I seem to have detected the drift that society would be better off without the hatred, xenophobia, intolerance, injustice, despising of real human dignity, irrationality, etc., etc. that arises from my theism. Hard to imagine that if the simple lack of theism has no ideological power. Also, I am not ignoring causality. Assign ‘idea’ and ‘ideology’ to the chicken and egg positions as you like. I am arguing that an idea cannot exist in a vacuum. In this case, whether the ideological bent was implicit or adhered over time makes little difference.
DOF,
Agreed. It is not good for preachers – or any man – to be put in a situation where they can do whatever they want. We will always be surprised and ultimately undone by what we actually want. It can happen in small churches too. But be the congregation large or small it is, as you say, not the normal state of affairs and a bad thing when it happens. I am indeed thankful not to shepherd a congregation of Terryites.
Leguru,
Try at least the last chapter of G.K. Chesterton’s Orthodoxy. Chesterton phrases it much better than I would and the work is already done. For whatever reasons, your thoughts frequently bring Chesterton to my mind. Also, ‘holy’ means ‘different’, ‘set apart’, or ‘separate from’. Given what I have learned of atheism here, it seems to me that Christianity regards man as more holy, not less.
All,
Since no one has stepped forward to show me that the New Testament is vague enough to justify my proposed poisoning and robbery, perhaps someone would like to demonstrate that the New Testament is vague enough to permit or even encourage me to seek vengeance through retaliation should someone take or attempt such actions against me or mine.
Terry
This is such a shocking story, I can’t quite belive it. It seems too much of a horror story to be true or real. It seems that people still have the mind set of the dark ages. What on earth can be done?!
Posted on 11/03/2009 at 06:28 PMSince the early 60’s when Television became popular as a vehicle for Charities to beg and prostitute themselves at any cost to ” Please for the Love of God ” ( GIVE GIVE GIVE ) to Africa.
I have witnessed this horseshit for now going on 40 years.
Africa is one (if not the most richest continent on the earth). The Internal Wealth is mind boggling. But that wealth is restricted to the few. And with it the Education, Medication, and Socialization remains in a state of complete hopelessness.
There is a good reason this is happening. It’s called ignorance. And their is a cure. Sending food, money, drugs and all manner of help is not helping. It is a war torn area, and it appears it will remain that way.
The individual Countries ( Kenya Somalia Ethiopia Ect.. ) need to be dissolved and the continent brought together. ( As 1 Country ) There is no easy answer for Africa.
Posted on 11/03/2009 at 01:30 PMSure, there’s plenty of hope. Consider: Just a few decades ago there was a bustling trade in shrunken heads. It might not look like it, and it might not be happening fast enough to suit everyone, but eventually progress beats the living shit out of old skool. There’s a reason why conservatives wet the bed at night worrying over gays marrying and rap music and whatever - it’s because we’re winning. A few hundred or few thousand years, eventually we end up civilized whether it’s not murdering people for their body parts to put into potions, or cooking our meat. Change is awesome, but it takes time. You’ve got to catch the kids and wait for all the witchdoctors to die off. When we bury the last Catholic and Muslim that will be a milestone, but even then we’ll still likely have a long way to go.
Personally I think that’s great. If everything were finished then ALL we’d be left with would be reality tv.
Does anyone actually believe there is any hope for the human race if THIS SHIT is happening in the Twenty-First Century? I mean, really?
Posted on 11/03/2009 at 11:38 AMLike a hunted animal run to ground, the little girl was cornered. Branded a ‘ghost’ on account of her striking white skin, Mariam Emmanuel had been chased through her African village, in a remote corner of Tanzania, by a bloodthirsty mob. Exhausted and terrified, the five-year-old slumped in the dust at the end of an alley. She whimpered and cowered while the adults surrounded her and sharpened their knives and machetes.
Then they set to work !!!
Butchering her and dividing up her remains between themselves.‘Mariam did not have the benefit of being unconscious before she died,’ said one shocked investigator.
‘She was killed, like an animal, by grown men who showed no compassion for another human being.’
I have a Pure White Lhasa Apso dog. I am getting a little thin on the top. I just wonder ?
Though it was good PR for the car company I agree it was a very kind and generous gesture on their behalf. And what bad parking eh?!
Wafa is a puppet in which soon, the hand will remove itself.
AS always… I just think - WHY can’t the “REAL” news people as clear minded and truthful as my hero JON and the Colbert as well…
and Bill Maher!?
Can we create a NEW Liberal Independent party!? PLEASE! and get all the cool smart young people to join?
M
Posted on 11/03/2009 at 01:54 AMDriving a Hyundai would make the day shitty enough.
Posted on 11/03/2009 at 01:52 AMThe Global Atheist folks tend to re-tweet my post announcements and they automatically add the atheist tag. I can only assume it’s because I’m an atheist as not everything I blog about is atheism related.




















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