Rachel Maddow on GOP thugishness.

A lot of representatives, particularly Democrats, are finding their town hall meetings being overrun by supposed constituents protesting their stances on health care reform and global warming. At first glance you might think these are legitimate constituents voicing their opinions to the elective representative, but it turns out that these “protests” are being organized by GOP lobbying groups and often consist of people from outside the district in question driving in to disrupt civic discourse:

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It seems clear that the Far Right isn’t beyond flat-out lying to achieve their goals. What amazes me is how many Republicans are willing to vote against their own self-interest at the behest of major companies that will probably screw them over as soon as they get the chance. So wrapped up in their ideology they can’t even see how they’re damaging themselves for someone else’s gain. I suspect some of them don’t even really give a shit if they’re cutting off their own nose to spite their face so long as they manage to stop us evil liberals from doing anything that might be remotely worthwhile.

22 thoughts on “Rachel Maddow on GOP thugishness.

  1. Minutes of Republican Turkeys AGM
    Thanksgiving
    All in favour 1,728 votes
    Against 0 votes.

    Did that presenter really say she’s in favour of rabble rousing and shouting people down? Stupid cow- that’s not asserting your freedom of speech, that’s denying others theirs.

  2. There should not be surprise at this, or the birthers, or the tea-baggers. Republicans said at the outset that their goal is Obama’s failure. And I am not altogether sure that they won’t succeed… even if it means the country will fail. Support for Obama’s healthcare plan is already going down hill. But as for the video, the only thing to the right of today’s American conservatism in its Limbaugh-Hannity-Randall Terry form is Fascism, and they are moving further right all the time.

  3. Like the far left haven’t used the exact same tactics. Like ACORN or Moveon.org tactics are any more civil and are no less “corporate”. Maddow needs to remember the first amendment. “Hooliganism?” someone needs to smack the smarmy smirk off of that woman’s face.

  4. I keep hearing this bullshit argument that ACORN is practically Obama’s secret political army. Yet from what I know of the organization that’s miles away from anything approaching reality.

    As for MoveOn.org, I don’t recall them marshaling people to go disrupt Republican town halls. For the most part they put out web ads that piss people off and that’s about it.

    To compare either organization with the lobbyists that are forging documents of legitimate organizations stretches the limits of credulity.

    You won’t find a stronger advocate for the 1st Amendment than myself, but this isn’t free speech taking place. This is patently dishonest tactics and intentional subterfuge.

    The really ironic part is that this sort of idiocy is what the Far Right had accused ACORN and others of planning on doing and which never occurred. It was an abomination in their eyes when they thought Lefties were conspiring to do it, but when they do it it’s Democracy in action. Fucking hypocrites.

  5. I just wish that the crypto-bigot Christofascist mouth-breathers on the right would just don their gimp-suits, stuff the rubber balls in their mouths, lather up their backsides with KY Jelly and let the Megacorporations and the Megachurches have their wicked way with them in some private leather club and get it all the @#$% out of our faces. 

    Oh, that includes you, too, “Sigh.”  Stupid gimp.  You know you want it, so stop playing hard to get.  And for @#$%‘s sake, stop pretending you have principles.  You and your ilk were all for the Bush Administration wiping their @$$@$ with the Constitution when you thought it would get those icky immigrants and gays and feminists and non-whites and non-Christians out of “your” America.  You know, the one founded by slave-owning rich nominally Christian white men.

  6. What amazes me is how many Republicans are willing to vote against their own self-interest at the behest of major companies that will probably screw them over as soon as they get the chance.

    Of course, the rich don’t need convincing to vote GOP: they are voting for their bottom line.  But the true genius of the Republican party is to wrap their shit in an American flag and convince poor people that it’s apple pie.

  7. What amazes me is how many Republicans are willing to vote against their own self-interest at the behest of major companies that will probably screw them over as soon as they get the chance.

    That quote really sums up how so many sheeple will blindly follow those policies, to their own personal detriment. The GOP is glad to have them along for the ride, but offers little in return.

    A good read on that angle is a book called “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” by Thomas Frank. Check it out some time.

  8. What amazes me is how many Republicans are willing to vote against their own self-interest at the behest of major companies that will probably screw them over as soon as they get the chance.

    Of course, the rich don’t need convincing to vote GOP: they are voting for their bottom line.  But the true genius of the Republican party is to wrap their shit in an American flag and convince poor people that it’s apple pie.

    Well they do that because they agree with the non-economic ideologies of the Republicans don’t they? I mean Aren’t their any rich people who vote Democrat even if it is against their financial self-interests? The people in the so called “liberal media” and people in Hollywood for instance.

  9. But the true genius of a political party is to wrap their shit in an American flag and convince poor people that it’s apple pie.

    -Fixed.

  10. American politics drives me nuts. These people amaze me. I wouldn’t be surprised if these people started interrupting speeches by just shouting, “AMERICA FUCK YEAH!” over and over again.

  11. Y’know, here’s the thing:

    When Bush was in office, how many people wanted to come up and grill him on the mishandling of Katrina, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or the lack of real progress on the restoration of the twin towers, or, or, or, or…

    We wanted to, and you better believe we would. The problem is that anyone who wasn’t a frothing-at-the-mouth Bush-supporter was denied access to rallies and meetings of any sort.

    And that was bad. Call me the naive idealist, here, but Obama’s taking the high ground. That said, the bullshit that comes from some of these people amaze me. Healthcare reform, especially now while everyone’s in the pits, should be a no-brainer. I realize we can’t always agree all the time, but that’s what hindsight is for – we can fix things.

  12. No, that’s pretty much been done ever since… I want to say Eisenhower? Not 100% sure on the exact presidency, but that’s been SOP for quite some time. Last thing the Secret Service needs is a genuine brouhaha erupting in the vicinity of POTUS, and putting NOW right next to the right-to-lifers will do precisely that. Groups with a known agenda that likely will cause a conflict are given a designated area well away from the other groups. POTUS can certainly meet with groups that represent the opposition, but having the two in proximity is a recipe for a riot, and having that in the physical vicinity of the President is pretty much the Secret Service’s ultimate nightmare.

    (usually the meeting with the opposition is held away from a rally type situation, a private meeting type scenario)

  13. But the true genius of a political party is to wrap their shit in an American flag and convince poor people that it’s apple pie.

    True enough, NewDave.  As Elwed has said, the only reasonable default position with politicians of any stripe is not trusting them any further than you can throw them.  But the Republicans, especially since Eisenhower, deserve special credit for developing new strategies, for instance in ushering in a new age of gerrymandering, with computer programs to show how best to divvy up districts to favor their party: they are way ahead of the kneejerk liberal Democrats in this and similar marketing strategies.

    Patness: yes indeed.  Living in Europe makes the debate against healthcare in the U.S. appear mindless: it’s a pretty straightforward case of Big Money (insurance companies, medical equipment manufacturers, Big Pharm, etc.) against the better interests of society.

  14. What scares me is how these tactics are incredibly derisive in nature. I’m not sure if some repubs in power realize but this creates a very hostile and dangerous situation for politicians. Forget about the lies and such, what happens when someone with a loose screw gets the wrong idea in their head?

  15. Could it be possible that some are equating passion for scripting? What if some of us are scared to death that the Government take-over of health care will bring the death knell of the freedom bell? Can anyone get passionate about that really possible scenario? I am reminded of the phrase, “I’m from the Government. I’m here to help.” Anyone with a modicum of sense would run screaming from such an announcement. Yes, evil corporations can make life a little difficult, but evil government WILL make life unbearable. My wife has heard the same pitch that Obama uses from the mouth of Pol Pot. Many of her Cambodian neighbors believed Pol Pot, too, until it was too late. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
    How can Rachel claim that the people with passion are being scripted by “Big Pharma” or “Big Corp Whatever” and use that as an excuse to say those tactics are thuggish? Please go here to see what thuggs are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee. Who has the power at these town hall meetings? Are the PEOPLE voting on the health care reform legislation that those congressmen have not even read? Is this not one of the best ways for the people to show their passion to those in power who are trying to manipulate the boobuazie (bourgeoisie)? Some of the people who are informed are mad a hell, and the politicians better listen and take heed if they wish to be re-elected.

  16. Leguru:

    Could it be possible that some are equating passion for scripting? What if some of us are scared to death that the Government take-over of health care will bring the death knell of the freedom bell? Can anyone get passionate about that really possible scenario? I am reminded of the phrase, “I’m from the Government. I’m here to help.” Anyone with a modicum of sense would run screaming from such an announcement.

    In this regard, most of the industrialized world are filled with people with no common sense. In fact, it’s a remarkably America-centric, and ahistorical, statement to imply that fear of regulation is common sense.

    In reality, I do agree that such a scenario is possible, but a history of it in practice should show that it’s unlikely. Government interference with the media – indeed, any source of information – is a much more tightly related sign of trouble. So is political apathy.

    “Evil” corporations are Frankenstein’s monster. They get their power because we expect them to be ruthless, and we invest in them to turn a profit at any cost. The barriers to entry, in such a system, are sufficient that very few people have access to it. Therefore, a government system which is still able to be regulated by a passionate public is more accountable than a system which is only accountable to its investors – and we know that they won’t do anything as long as the money’s coming in.

    I can tell you right now, the difference between Canada’s insurance and my travel insurance. I use travel insurance as an example, because emergency services like ambulances are retained by private entities only when I leave the country. And when I do, if I get into a car crash, I’m expected to phone the insurance company before getting in an ambulance, and waiting for them to deliberate on the medical necessity of any service before that service is given to me. If I receive that service before they give me an answer (god help me if the crash knocks me unconscious, incoherent or disabled!), then it’s not covered, and I pay the going rate wherever I am.

    Similar clauses exist for almost every HMO I’ve been able to review. Everything we fear about the nationalization of health care has already come to pass in a private system, because HMOs know that fear of government means they’ll never be sufficiently regulated to change things. Investors, of course, will fight regulation tooth and nail; they cannot be called to act as moral agents when it clearly betrays their best interests.

    Sorry, but the USA is already living in one of the worst circumstances it can be in for health insurance, public or private. And, no, nobody is being held accountable, because we get hit with a torrent of horror stories at the very suggestion.

    Evil anything must be reminded of what lies in its best interests. Evil is self-perpetuating and self-sustaining, but agents of evil are generally wound up in their own best interests.

    I disagree that an evil government will make life unbearable. We had some remarkably evil people in the last US administration. Pathological and stupid people: yeah, they’ll destroy their own population. Especially if they’re incredibly spiteful. Most of those people self-destruct long before they reach office, however. Their, shall we say, eccentricities make it difficult for them to socially integrate enough to survive politics. If they’re only evil, we can control for that. Evil is nothing new.

    Also, many of the same things your wife heard from Pol Pot, my grandmother probably heard from Tommy Douglas too.

  17. leguru: what Patness said.  Living in another evil socialist country, I also enjoy far superior healthcare than Americans do for far less money.  Some things are simply better when done with public oversight, and the facts don’t lie: America has the most expensive healthcare system in the world, bar none, and the thirty-seventh best one.  How can you defend that, unless you are in the insurance industry?  The money Americans spend on private healthcare goes largely to parasites of one sort or another, and that’s a result of its being private.  Is that what you want?  I really don’t get it.

    LH- regularly murdered?  I hope this doesn’t interfere with our beer tasting plans…

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