I dunno, just not feeling a lot of hope these days of a brighter future.

You say “Global Thermonuclear Warfare” as if it were a BAD thing!

I dunno, just not feeling a lot of hope these days of a brighter future.

There’s not likely to be much of a brighter future as long as we have guys like yourself pushing for serial murders and terrorism every time you get your panties into a bunch.

But yes, I knew who Osama Bin Laden was before 9/11, just like I knew who the Taliban and Al Queda were. Reading is good for the soul.

There are some cases where I would have no problem with a death penalty. Osama bin Laden comes to mind. I would happily volunteer to pull the switch on him with no reservations at all.

I am highly skeptical of the whole Osama bin Laden/911 story the Bush administration and his media propaganda machine have been shoving down our throats since 911.

After all, who is Osama bin Laden? Did you know of him before 911? And the word “terrorist” has been drilled into our collective consciousness that it’s the new “boogey-man” catch phrase like “communist” back in the day.

I’m watching Obama, and he doesn’t appear to be in a hurry to put down the sword and shield anytime soon. Only this time around, instead of Iraq and Afghanistan, its Iran and North Korea. So much for “change.” Nothing will ever change as long as the US government continues to think its in charge of policing the world. Although if our economy totally tanks that might put an end to it.

I dunno, just not feeling a lot of hope these days of a brighter future.

Logan writes…

And just for the record, no, I don’t believe in killing or the death penalty and do find the notion just as distasteful. And like you and Les, I appear to have no basis for this other than I am a pacifist.

I have a very simple basis for my dislike of the death penalty: Once done it cannot be undone so if mistakes are made they can’t be corrected.

There are some cases where I would have no problem with a death penalty. Osama bin Laden comes to mind. I would happily volunteer to pull the switch on him with no reservations at all.

Not all cases are so clean cut, however, and there’s a big difference between executing someone we’ve got pretty substantial evidence that he has done some horrific things (and who as admitted as much) and the random vigilante deaths of people who belong to a group of which some members have done horrific things.

I deny nothing in anything I wrote.

I do deny your interpretations of what I wrote.

The only thing I’m sorry for is that you are so wrapped up your self-righteous taboo filter that you are incapable of getting over your distaste on the subject to discuss it like a rational human being. I’ve given you more than one opportunity to raise yourself out of the gutter and rise above the trash talking, but you continue to be mired in it.

You (and others, “Hi Les! )”) believe killing people for their criminal behavior (Or perhaps only “government” has that authority? Oh wait, where does government get that authority? Oh, that’s right, from the people. Or at least, that is the theory.) is just wrong. It appears that you don’t really know what your philosophical basis for your belief is, all you know is that it is wrong! wrong! wrong! And anyone who might suggest otherwise must be evil! evil! evil! And so you resort to attacking the person(s) who would dare discuss the matter, instead of offering up some reasoning as to why such an approach is wrong, or evil, or just downright ineffective.

So yes, I’m sorry I stepped on your little taboo. I hope some day you will grow up and do some soul searching and learn why you believe what you believe, instead of just knee-jerk reacting to people who offer up a different world view to yours and demonizing them for it.

The only reason I’m on the internet is to bounce ideas out there and see if any better, more useful ones get bounced back at me. More often than not, they just vanish into the ether. More often than I’d like, people like you crumple them up in a ball and throw them back at me all crunched and distorted by your own muddy paws. But every once in a while, I do learn new ways of thinking about things. Sadly this venture turned out to be a dud. Oh well.

Heh, had to look up what ITG meant in this context. I assume you meant “Internet Tough Guy”? I think Nietzsche was actually playing that role better than I was. Although your premise is incorrect, you conclusion isn’t far off. These arms are made for hugging and loving, not death and destruction.

And just for the record, no, I don’t believe in killing or the death penalty and do find the notion just as distasteful. And like you and Les, I appear to have no basis for this other than I am a pacifist. Unlike you, I don’t find the subject taboo and off limits from exploring the ramifications of a line of thinking. Unfortunately Nietzsche was the only one willing to ride this train of thought, and I think he got off awhile ago and found something else to amuse himself with.

Oh well, back to pursuing my happiness. ta ta

You want to play with qualifiers? Go ahead, do so all you want. Perhaps you’re a whiny victim who can’t properly communicate outrage without advocating a murder, or maybe you really think murder is funny and can’t understand the rest of us who’ve told you it’s not. What you said was ugly and hateful, and advocated terrorist tactics.

You can try to defend it as “freedom” fighting all you want. It’s not. It’s advocating murder.

Who’s being intellectually dishonest? You’re the one trying to deny you said what you said and meant what you said. You wouldn’t accept Moloch’s racism as humor or hyperbole, would you? If you were going to play cute with “perhaps” then “perhaps” you should have played with it a bit more until what you were actually saying sounded more like what you claim to have intended to say.

You can say I’m a mean bastard for pointing out to you that you’re talking about advocating terrorism too. I don’t care. I don’t feel it’s impolite to disavow and denounce terrorism.

It’s pretty obvious from your furious backpedaling you wouldn’t have the constitution to back up your terrorist ITG routine, so I accept your apology. So anyways, snowflake, get over it. You made a mistake. Don’t do it again, but don’t try to spray something pretty over your turds and sell me roses.

Right, sure thing, lets omit keys word when quoting someone to support your position.

What I said was:

“Perhaps outrage should be expressed in random killing of Catholic Priests until the guilty are named? I mean really, if they are hiding the identities of the guilty, then they are just as guilty as if they have done it themselves. Or perhaps they are hiding it because they all are guilty in the first place?”

Why did you omit the first word and the question mark of the first sentence? And omitting the “I mean really,” part of the second sentence? What’s up with that? And totally ignoring the third sentence? I mean, really? I included the entire comment I posted above, it’s not that long. You purposefully omit word to further your point of view.

This is called intellectual dishonesty. I mean really, who are you trying to fool? Anyone who has been following this thread can go back and see exactly what I’ve said all along. I would think anyone of intelligence would understand it was rhetorical.

outrage should be expressed in random killing of Catholic Priests until the guilty are named

if they are hiding the identities of the guilty, then they are just as guilty as if they have done it themselves

Right, keep playing the martyr card. Again, your play book is right out of the pages of the Catholics themselves. Advocate some hate, retreat into “I can’t believe people thought I was being serious! Help! I’m a victim!”

I expect now you’ll propose that you and Logan go murder random Italians until the Mafia and Catholicism decide to change their evil ways, Nietzsche?

Oh, so now, besides being a name caller, you’re a racist. I can’t speak for Nietzsche, but I would never think someone was in the Mafia just because they happen to be Italian. But apparently you do. Sad.

Righteousness sucks. You guys slap a religion on that hate and you’ll both fit right in.

Dude, you’re the only one expressing hate on this thread. At most we are expressing anger at the situation. But then again you seem to be having difficulty grasping the distinction between words and their meanings.

So, tell me, how is your behavior on this thread considered “civilized”?

We have merely been discussing ideas, and even though some find these ideas distasteful, they are in the end, just ideas. If you have a problem with the ideas, address the ideas like a civilized gentleman and stop attacking people just because they happen to express them.

I expect now you’ll propose that you and Logan go murder random Italians until the Mafia and Catholicism decide to change their evil ways, Nietzsche?

Righteousness sucks. You guys slap a religion on that hate and you’ll both fit right in.