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	<title>Comments on: Daily Kos on the differences between piracy and homicide.</title>
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		<title>By: warbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>warbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of cars versus guns, I was just looking up the CDC data the other day while I considered writing Greg Palast about an article on making guns illegal.&#160; This is the prelimenary 2003 data from the CDC for deaths in the US.&#160; The number of homicides by discharge of firearms was 11,599.&#160; The number of deaths in motor vehicle accidents was 44,059.&#160; The number of deaths in other transport accidents was 47,325 while 16,859 people committed suicide by shooting themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_32002"><p>Speaking of cars versus guns, I was just looking up the CDC data the other day while I considered writing Greg Palast about an article on making guns illegal.&nbsp; This is the prelimenary 2003 data from the CDC for deaths in the US.&nbsp; The number of homicides by discharge of firearms was 11,599.&nbsp; The number of deaths in motor vehicle accidents was 44,059.&nbsp; The number of deaths in other transport accidents was 47,325 while 16,859 people committed suicide by shooting themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: ingolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well to be fair to “the other side,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_32001"><blockquote><p>Well to be fair to “the other side,</p>
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		<title>By: decrepitoldfool</title>
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		<dc:creator>decrepitoldfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unless the society itself reaches a consensus (legal and emotional) that guns THEMSELVES should be considered restricted and ‘evil’...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well to be fair to &#8220;the other side,&#8221; cars, baseball bats, and watermelons can only be misused as weapons.&#160; Guns are properly and primarily weapons.&#160; That might weaken or complicate the analogy somewhat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_32000"><blockquote><p>Unless the society itself reaches a consensus (legal and emotional) that guns THEMSELVES should be considered restricted and ‘evil’&#8230;</p>
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<p>Well to be fair to &#8220;the other side,&#8221; cars, baseball bats, and watermelons can only be misused as weapons.&nbsp; Guns are properly and primarily weapons.&nbsp; That might weaken or complicate the analogy somewhat.</p>
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		<title>By: decrepitoldfool</title>
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		<dc:creator>decrepitoldfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;thus demonstrating the utility of said product&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides, just imagine how you can relax and enjoy when you don&#8217;t have to worry about fluids&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31999"><blockquote><p>thus demonstrating the utility of said product</p>
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<p>Besides, just imagine how you can relax and enjoy when you don&#8217;t have to worry about fluids&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nowiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sure they do, a little bit, but the physical sensation of the actual point of contact between fingers and keyboard is only one small part of the total logged-in experience.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You could be a spokesman for KC DoF; not because your logic is compelling, but because you just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard, thus demonstrating the utility of said product in the most immediate and intimate of fashions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kudos!&#160; You&#8217;re a marketing genius! (bastard.&#160; Now I have to go find a rag).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31998"><blockquote><p>Sure they do, a little bit, but the physical sensation of the actual point of contact between fingers and keyboard is only one small part of the total logged-in experience.</p>
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<p>You could be a spokesman for KC DoF; not because your logic is compelling, but because you just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard, thus demonstrating the utility of said product in the most immediate and intimate of fashions.</p>
<p>Kudos!&nbsp; You&#8217;re a marketing genius! (bastard.&nbsp; Now I have to go find a rag).</p>
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		<title>By: ingolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a question to those her who have some idea about US law: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Could this decision (that gun manufacturers can not be sued forthwith) be used to LEGALLY protect file sharing programs? &#8216;Legally&#8217; meaning that a defendant could point to it in court, as opposed to simply pointing at the MORAL hypocrisy, as we do here?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31997"><p>As a question to those her who have some idea about US law: </p>
<p>Could this decision (that gun manufacturers can not be sued forthwith) be used to LEGALLY protect file sharing programs? &#8216;Legally&#8217; meaning that a defendant could point to it in court, as opposed to simply pointing at the MORAL hypocrisy, as we do here?</p>
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		<title>By: ingolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are many comparisons that I have used over the years to explain why suing gun manufactureres for crime is illogical. Like if a wife kills her cheating husband by running over him with her car, is the auto manufacturer guilty? Or if a kid kills another with a baseball bat, should the bat manufacturer pay? When a kid drops a watermelon off a bridge and kills a motorist, should the farmer be put out of business? If you buy a gun, and it blows up in your face, the manufacturer is liable, if you use it to murder someone, you am liable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All eminently reasonable points. Unless the society itself reaches a consensus (legal and emotional) that guns THEMSELVES should be considered restricted and &#8216;evil&#8217; (obviously not gonna happen in the US anywhere in the near future), then no gun manufacturer should be sued.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, the very SAME argument can be made for filesharing programs. To apply other standards there, where any &#8216;fault&#8217; is unlikely to ever hurt anyone physically (quite unlike with guns) is simply hypocrital. THAT was at least 50% of the point Kos was making, as I see it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31996"><blockquote><p>There are many comparisons that I have used over the years to explain why suing gun manufactureres for crime is illogical. Like if a wife kills her cheating husband by running over him with her car, is the auto manufacturer guilty? Or if a kid kills another with a baseball bat, should the bat manufacturer pay? When a kid drops a watermelon off a bridge and kills a motorist, should the farmer be put out of business? If you buy a gun, and it blows up in your face, the manufacturer is liable, if you use it to murder someone, you am liable.</p>
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<p>All eminently reasonable points. Unless the society itself reaches a consensus (legal and emotional) that guns THEMSELVES should be considered restricted and &#8216;evil&#8217; (obviously not gonna happen in the US anywhere in the near future), then no gun manufacturer should be sued.</p>
<p>That said, the very SAME argument can be made for filesharing programs. To apply other standards there, where any &#8216;fault&#8217; is unlikely to ever hurt anyone physically (quite unlike with guns) is simply hypocrital. THAT was at least 50% of the point Kos was making, as I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: valhalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are many comparisons that I have used over the years to explain why suing gun manufactureres for crime is illogical. Like if a wife kills her cheating husband by running over him with her car, is the auto manufacturer guilty? Or if a kid kills another with a baseball bat, should the bat manufacturer pay? When a kid drops a watermelon off a bridge and kills a motorist, should the farmer be put out of business? If you buy a gun, and it blows up in your face, the manufacturer is liable, if you use it to murder someone, you am liable.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31995"><p>There are many comparisons that I have used over the years to explain why suing gun manufactureres for crime is illogical. Like if a wife kills her cheating husband by running over him with her car, is the auto manufacturer guilty? Or if a kid kills another with a baseball bat, should the bat manufacturer pay? When a kid drops a watermelon off a bridge and kills a motorist, should the farmer be put out of business? If you buy a gun, and it blows up in your face, the manufacturer is liable, if you use it to murder someone, you am liable.</p>
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		<title>By: ingolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you have a keyboard you REALLY like, like the older ones with a lot of steel in them, then it’s a good idea.&#160; If you don’t mind the $5 keyboards, then the $15 for a KB condom is costly. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I got myself an aluminium keyboard these days to replace the old one (yes, I AM shamelessly bragging now, but its oh so pretty and has such a light touch, like a fine watch). To cover that one with a sleeve would be like&#8230; I don&#8217;t know - eating a five-course meal with a plastic spork?
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31994"><blockquote><p>If you have a keyboard you REALLY like, like the older ones with a lot of steel in them, then it’s a good idea.&nbsp; If you don’t mind the $5 keyboards, then the $15 for a KB condom is costly. </p>
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<p>I got myself an aluminium keyboard these days to replace the old one (yes, I AM shamelessly bragging now, but its oh so pretty and has such a light touch, like a fine watch). To cover that one with a sleeve would be like&#8230; I don&#8217;t know &#8211; eating a five-course meal with a plastic spork?</p>
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		<title>By: Ragman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Don’t they totally change the way typing feels?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Not really, at least the Safeskins that I use don&#8217;t.&#160; They&#8217;re vacummed formed to the model of your keyboard - what you buy in the store is just the ordering form to mail in.&#160; You get used to it quick.&#160; It&#8217;s really for guarding against spills.&#160; If you have a keyboard you REALLY like, like the older ones with a lot of steel in them, then it&#8217;s a good idea.&#160; If you don&#8217;t mind the $5 keyboards, then the $15 for a KB condom is costly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#8217;s also my freaky example for using them:&#160; I had a roach run onto my keyboard late one night, and before I could flick it off, it darted under the keys.&#160; So the condoms protect against both spills and bugs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_31993"><blockquote><p>Don’t they totally change the way typing feels?</p>
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Not really, at least the Safeskins that I use don&#8217;t.&nbsp; They&#8217;re vacummed formed to the model of your keyboard &#8211; what you buy in the store is just the ordering form to mail in.&nbsp; You get used to it quick.&nbsp; It&#8217;s really for guarding against spills.&nbsp; If you have a keyboard you REALLY like, like the older ones with a lot of steel in them, then it&#8217;s a good idea.&nbsp; If you don&#8217;t mind the $5 keyboards, then the $15 for a KB condom is costly.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also my freaky example for using them:&nbsp; I had a roach run onto my keyboard late one night, and before I could flick it off, it darted under the keys.&nbsp; So the condoms protect against both spills and bugs.</p>
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