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		<title>By: OB (Rox1SMF)</title>
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		<dc:creator>OB (Rox1SMF)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 04:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Although “transformational ministry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78526"><blockquote><p>“Although “transformational ministry</p>
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		<title>By: zilch</title>
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		<dc:creator>zilch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 05:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If the pamphlet is going to mention religion at all it can’t take sides.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, Consi, we know what side you&#8217;re on, and we&#8217;re on the other side.&#160; This case is emblematic of the wrongheadedness and backwardness of some, not all,&#160; religious viewpoints.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I have to agree with you.&#160; Mentioning religion &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt; was, given the current political climate, honest and informational, but a tactical error.&#160; If they just wanted to teach sex ed, they should have stuck to science, which should be sufficient to defenestrate prejudice, and left the religious perspectives, tolerant and bigoted alike, alone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78525"><blockquote><p>If the pamphlet is going to mention religion at all it can’t take sides.</p>
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<p>Well, Consi, we know what side you&#8217;re on, and we&#8217;re on the other side.&nbsp; This case is emblematic of the wrongheadedness and backwardness of some, not all,&nbsp; religious viewpoints.</p>
<p>That said, I have to agree with you.&nbsp; Mentioning religion <i>at all</i> was, given the current political climate, honest and informational, but a tactical error.&nbsp; If they just wanted to teach sex ed, they should have stuck to science, which should be sufficient to defenestrate prejudice, and left the religious perspectives, tolerant and bigoted alike, alone.</p>
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		<title>By: leguru</title>
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		<dc:creator>leguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 01:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And, is it wrong for homosexuals to tolerate heteros? &lt;img src=&quot;http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/lol.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;LOL&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78524"><p>And, is it wrong for homosexuals to tolerate heteros? <img src="http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/lol.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="LOL" style="border:0;" /></p>
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		<title>By: leguru</title>
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		<dc:creator>leguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Erik Stanley, an attorney for the groups that filed suit, said the curriculum excludes the viewpoints of former gays and those who believe that “same-sex attraction can be overcome.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Are there any verifiable instances of heterosexuals who have become homosexuals, thereby proving that &#8220;opposite-sex attraction can be overcome?&#8221; &lt;img src=&quot;http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/tongue_wink.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;tongue wink&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78523"><blockquote><p>Erik Stanley, an attorney for the groups that filed suit, said the curriculum excludes the viewpoints of former gays and those who believe that “same-sex attraction can be overcome.&#8221;</p>
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Are there any verifiable instances of heterosexuals who have become homosexuals, thereby proving that &#8220;opposite-sex attraction can be overcome?&#8221; <img src="http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/tongue_wink.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="tongue wink" style="border:0;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Talking Soup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talking Soup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 19:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They never fail to find some obscure excuse to discriminate against someone else.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78522"><p>They never fail to find some obscure excuse to discriminate against someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 12:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Consigliere, perhaps you can correct my understanding of this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You said, &#8220;This implicitly implies that those religions that endorse transformational ministries are bad, while those religions that accept homosexuality are good.&#8221; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would have thought that this implies that religions that endorse transformational ministries are wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the idea that homosexuality can be changed through &#8216;faith.&#8217; Although there is anecdotal evidence for it, there&#8217;s anecdotal evidence for lots of things that aren&#8217;t supported by the scientific evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Personally, I&#8217;d like to see just one nice simple randomized study&#8212;with a control group for a change&#8212;that shows any degree of change in homosexuals. And while we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s not take their word for it, shall we? Let&#8217;s measure arousal to same-sex material.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, what I&#8217;m saying here is that the judge seems to have assumed that this is a value judgment when this would certainly not be the case by any scientific measure. So it isn&#8217;t that these ministries are bad, they&#8217;re just wrong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78521"><p>Consigliere, perhaps you can correct my understanding of this:</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;This implicitly implies that those religions that endorse transformational ministries are bad, while those religions that accept homosexuality are good.&#8221; </p>
<p>I would have thought that this implies that religions that endorse transformational ministries are wrong.</p>
<p>There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the idea that homosexuality can be changed through &#8216;faith.&#8217; Although there is anecdotal evidence for it, there&#8217;s anecdotal evidence for lots of things that aren&#8217;t supported by the scientific evidence.</p>
<p>(Personally, I&#8217;d like to see just one nice simple randomized study&#8212;with a control group for a change&#8212;that shows any degree of change in homosexuals. And while we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s not take their word for it, shall we? Let&#8217;s measure arousal to same-sex material.)</p>
<p>So, what I&#8217;m saying here is that the judge seems to have assumed that this is a value judgment when this would certainly not be the case by any scientific measure. So it isn&#8217;t that these ministries are bad, they&#8217;re just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This among other things is why I hate the law. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those repugnant bastards (excluded my man SEB)with their heavily starched judge robes can just massage their anuses with their gavels.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78520"><p>This among other things is why I hate the law. </p>
<p>Those repugnant bastards (excluded my man SEB)with their heavily starched judge robes can just massage their anuses with their gavels.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The time has come to for each of you heterosexuals to make a statement. Have sex with someone of your gender, all of you, to prove your support of gay rights. I have given you a challenge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Get back to me next week and tell me how it went.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Angelina Jolie turned me down, dammit.&#160; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And after the spanking??? &lt;img src=&quot;http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;wink&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Naughty Zoot!&#160; &lt;img src=&quot;http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;wink&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78519"><blockquote><p>The time has come to for each of you heterosexuals to make a statement. Have sex with someone of your gender, all of you, to prove your support of gay rights. I have given you a challenge.</p>
<p>Get back to me next week and tell me how it went.</p>
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<p>Angelina Jolie turned me down, dammit.&nbsp; </p>
<blockquote><p>And after the spanking??? <img src="http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="wink" style="border:0;" /></p>
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Naughty Zoot!&nbsp; <img src="http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="wink" style="border:0;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Consigliere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consigliere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here seems to be the issue:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From the booklet that was going to be taught:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Although “transformational ministry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78518"><p>Here seems to be the issue:</p>
<p>From the booklet that was going to be taught:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Although “transformational ministry</p>
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		<title>By: Consigliere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consigliere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now Consi will probably look up something in the court documents and spank me with it,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And after the spanking??? &lt;img src=&quot;http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;wink&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;&#160; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Time to get cracking!!
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_78517"><blockquote><p>Now Consi will probably look up something in the court documents and spank me with it,</p>
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<p>And after the spanking??? <img src="http://jenkinsonline.net/images/smileys/wink.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="wink" style="border:0;" />&nbsp; </p>
<p>Time to get cracking!!</p>
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