Separation of Church and State? Not in Arkansas!

Seems the lawmakers down in Arkansas aren’t real fond of the idea of keeping church and state separate:

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) – The state House on Friday voted against affirming the separation of church and state in a resolution brought by a legislator who said he was fed up with a religious undertone at the Capitol.

The House voted 44-39 against the proposal. Only two Republicans voted for it, and one of them, Rep. Jim Medley, said he had intended to vote no but didn’t get to his machine in time to change his vote.

Democratic Rep. Buddy Blair said he offered the measure because he was tired of conservative colleagues “making every issue into a religious issue.”

“It’s unbelievable to me. They have just voted against the U.S. Constitution and the constitution of the state of Arkansas,” Blair said.

Legislators have offered bills this session to keep gay people from adopting or serving as foster parents; define marriage in school textbooks as a one-man, one-woman union; require minors to get a parent’s permission before an abortion; and offer “In God We Trust” license plates.

Republican Rep. Michael Lamoureux said Blair’s resolution wasn’t needed.

“It’s clear that our founding fathers, that they wanted Christian beliefs,” Lamoureux said. “The separation of church and state is not in our Constitution.”

There was a time when I laughed at the idea that we could see this country turn into a theocracy one day, but I’m finding it less laughable with each passing news item about lawmakers out to undermine the bedrock this country was built on. I used to think that the overwhelming number of moderates would keep the extremists on both sides at bay, but the Fundamentalists have learned how to manipulate their way into office all the way up to the President and they’re hell bent in making good use of their power to bring about the theocracy I used to laugh at. The reelection of Bush has emboldened them to the extent that many feel it’s no longer a threat to their political careers to vote against long-standing principles laid down by the Founding Fathers themselves.

Things are only going to get worse from here. Hang on, it’s going to be a rough ride.

57 comments to Separation of Church and State? Not in Arkansas!

  • zilch

    The philosophical method is superior to the empirical method because the only thing the empirical method can say is, “It is perceived there is no God, so there is no God.

  • Theo,

    What you’re discussing is Kant’s categories, which really are a reiteration of Aristotlean metaphysics.  Moreover, it was Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason that suggests that religious claims are not under the purview of philosophy but instead should be grounded by empirical claims.  Kant, despite being quite religious himself was influenced by figures such as Hobbes and Hume who were both atheists.

  • Ragman

    If you assert that the pursuit of the supernatural is folly then you are claiming to have an answer.

    Never said the questioning is folly.  Just much of the claims.  Just b/c one calls bullshit, does not mean that one MUST have the answer. 

    This is the problem though.  You are still using math to explain math.  Tell me how, in a theoretical or philosophical sense, you can go from a math equation asserting something to a theory asserting something illogical.

    You asked how something came from an equation.  Using math (and following its rules), you can derive other equations that may describe seemingly illogical phenomenom.  Hence, experiments are done, and in this case time dilation was proven experimentally.

    “During October, 1971, four cesium atomic beam clocks were flown on regularly scheduled commercial jet flights around the world twice, once eastward and once westward, to test Einstein’s theory of relativity with macroscopic clocks. From the actual flight paths of each trip, the theory predicted that the flying clocks, compared with reference clocks at the U.S. Naval Observatory, should have lost 40+/-23 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and should have gained 275+/-21 nanoseconds during the westward trip … Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results provide an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock “paradox” with macroscopic clocks.”

    Quote found here

    In my Calc III and Physics classes right now, I see a lot of equations that describe more mundane phenomenon, like electricity and gradients.  What I find geekly curious is that in calculus, I see similar (if not the same) equations and theorems that describe several things.  It makes me wonder whether the equations were found first (as it seems to in multivariable calc), or the phenomenon observed first (as with much of the electrical world) and equations determined later.

  • Ulfrekr

    Theocrat says…
    This is the problem though.  You are still using math to explain math.  Tell me how, in a theoretical or philosophical sense, you can go from a math equation asserting something to a theory asserting something illogical.

    You hold the concept of time dilation “illogical” because YOU can’t seem to wrap your head around it, but it isn’t actually illogical. The mathematic formulas that you refer to so derisively show the logic behind the concept, and experimental evidence shows that that logic is sound.

    And yet you would go from a philosophical postulation asserting something to a theory asserting something illogical:

    The philosophical method is superior to the empirical method because the only thing the empirical method can say is, “It is perceived there is no God, so there is no God.

  • THEOCRAT

    zilch:
    The great bulk of nonscientific philosophy is simply bunk.

    What is your opinion of the existentialists(Sartre, Heidegger, Merleau-Ponty, etc.), the Social Critics(Adorno, Marcuse, etc.), and Sellars and Wittgenstein?  I’ll grant you I think the deconstructionists and feminists made terrible philosophies, but I am becoming increasingly more a fan of the existentialists.

    Ulfrekr:
    Would you find the philosophical method (whatever that is) more “complete and reasonable

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  • Les

    Ralph, not sure what the hell you’re asking to join.

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